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Post by dirtyfaz on Mar 17, 2020 3:46:14 GMT
Just a couple of things Cameron. I don't know what the admin said to Moorlock but I assume it was for some more personal comment he made. I don't think it would have had anything to do with negative comments. Simple way is to not bother to respond if you don't like what he is saying as it is not directly aimed at you. The other point is that he recognises and values the Hollies outside of the Rickfors period. Look back through some of his comments. He just happens to have a belief about the current touring Hollies and continues to express that belief. I am not making excuses for him.
About the "old fart" thing I do know the expression well as it is common here in Australia as well. I just mentioned it because I used the expression "come on girls" and that got attention.
I don't really get offended by what anyone writes here as I take it all as an expression of opinion. As long as it doesn't get personal towards anyone maybe we should just let it fly through to the keeper.
This whole Terry Twitter topic in my eyes should maybe be deleted. I don't see any real purpose to carry forward to the world all Terry's negative stuff.
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Post by moorlock2003 on Mar 17, 2020 4:13:07 GMT
Terry said Tony & Bobby 'pretend' it's The Hollies and the band now is a joke. HA HA HA. Right on Terry!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 7:02:49 GMT
I really do have more than enough stress and worries in my life right now, and I come on here and a couple of other forums for occasional light relief and to pursue escapist hobbies. I left all social media a couple of years back to avoid non-stop negativity (best thing I ever did), and I'm seriously considering doing the same here.
Be kind everyone.
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Post by thejanitor on Mar 17, 2020 13:29:36 GMT
Come to think of it, I'd have no problem with this thread being locked or deleted also. As I referred to a few pages back, like how Terry's swipes have almost become a predictable cycle sadly far from stopping, it seems our responses to his escapades, which generally can be summarised as just him being bitter and with too much time on his hands are starting to repeat themselves. While there has been the odd great discussion here (the throwback post with Bernie and then the article about The Hollies on Christmas TV in 1969), this thread has largely become a negative rabbit hole on this otherwise wonderful forum.
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Post by Gralto on Mar 21, 2020 15:15:17 GMT
I don't know which one is the more cantankerous old fart - Terry Sylvester or Moorlock2003 It is indeed sad that people who claim they are Hollies fans don't even respect the opinions of Allan Clarke and Terry Sylvester, true talents of The Hollies' legacy, regarding that joke of a band calling itself "The Hollies" now. Will the administrator of this board send a private message to this Cameron dude regarding name calling, like I received? Or is that only reserved for non-UK fans? This is a reminder to all people on this board to please not engage in personal attacks. Everyone is encouraged to express their opinions of The Hollies but it must not be at the expense of common decency and courtesy. Moorlock, yes absolutely right to call out this type of baiting which is not on, and which I see Cameron has since apologised for. Cameron was wrong and has since said so. I'd like to think the matter here is now closed. However Moorlock, calling The Hollies "a joke of a band" amongst many other less than generous past posts, while it is your opinion and yours to express, is only going to invite strong reaction from fans who don't wish to visit EO to read your torrent of negativity. We get that you love the 1972-73 era the most - you've reiterated that over and over for more than a decade on this site. And this is a view shared by many others who agree with you at the quality of the band's output while the blonde Swede was out front. You were fortunate to witness the live power of this band, unlike most others on this site, myself included. I remain envious of you, Poco and Dirty Faz! But please just let everyone else on this site enjoy the history of this band, including the modern line up, without the ever present distraction of your next baiting comment. You are one of the most knowledgable fans here, but your constant invective on the modern line up and its fans only serves to undo the otherwise excellent posts and points you make elsewhere. If you don't have anything nice to say about the modern line up, please don't comment. Everyone knows your thoughts already as I have only ever deleted two of your posts - the rest remain up there. We get it - you don't like the modern line up. Totally fine - but you've said this many, many times and it's now wearing very thin. I've said on this board at least 3-4 times over the years that I'm not a lover of the current line up and vocal sound that has been knocking around for the past two decades. But I still have much respect for the guys, who do their best on every tour, still utilise top notch equipment, continue to fill the best available venues and have generated a new group of younger fans that have revitalised many long time fans. The Howarth-era Hollies have produced two albums which is two more than the 1984-2001 versions of The Hollies managed to achieve (even if neither album is on my must-play list). That Tony Hicks and Bobby Elliott, the two finest instrumental musicians in the group from the 'Hits era' - certainly the only two instrumentalists in The H that Ron Richards rated - have remained after 57 years!!! and can still perform to a high standard - commands IMMENSE respect throughout the music industry. Can we all please move on from this matter and be kinder to each other, especially in light of what is going on at present. On that front, I hope everyone who reads this site remains personally untouched by the current pandemic and stays safe and healthy. Unprecedented times hopefully made a bit easier with a daily dose of Hollies to brighten the day. Best wishes Simon in Melbourne, Oz
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Post by knut on Mar 30, 2020 20:50:58 GMT
Well spoken, Simon. Cameron is a guy I have huge respect for. He does a great job analysing the work of the group, and his polite critic of the present lineup is constructive. This forum is still an important source for everything Hollies. I hope it stays that way. Even more so in these troubled times when many of us are in home isolation and everything on the news is about disease and death. Stay safe, everyone!
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Post by paul71 on May 5, 2020 9:20:35 GMT
Am i the only one who's discusted by Terry's childish ranting about the band on twitter but instead of not reading it, a weird curiosity makes me want to know what he's saying. Eg. Mocking Bobbys appearance, mocking the cancelled US tour. Especially when his own life and career are far from perfect.
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Post by baz on May 5, 2020 9:39:37 GMT
Am i the only one who's discusted by Terry's childish ranting about the band on twitter but instead of not reading it, a weird curiosity makes me want to know what he's saying. Eg. Mocking Bobbys appearance, mocking the cancelled US tour. Especially when his own life and career are far from perfect. Wonder why he's turned against Bobby all of a sudden... quite a few senseless attacks and swipes on him. Just when one thinks Terry can't sink any lower, he does just that. Another brag about "when" he writes his book... nice to know he wasn't using lockdown time to get on with doing just that.
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Post by paul71 on May 5, 2020 9:44:54 GMT
His 'tell all' book has been threatened for years. He recently said it would be a best seller because of all the dirt. Im guessing the general public would have to know who he was in the 1st place. He keeps threatening Bobby with a Hamburg story. If its about him cheating on Maureen then I guess Terrys too late as she sadly passed away
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Post by Stranger on May 5, 2020 9:55:06 GMT
He already tells a Hamburg story, so, it could just be that or a more extreme version.
He seems to have gone berserk over the weekend. I actually feel sorry for him, he seems to have a real problem, probably drink fueled and needs help.
I imagine this situation is really aggravating for people like him, cooped up all day and only one thing to turn to...
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Post by paul71 on May 5, 2020 10:13:48 GMT
I guess a mixture of loneliness bitterness and booze can really eat away at a person.
I loved his contribution to the band, his skills and work ethic gave the band a second wind after Mr Nash departed the 'pop' group he started to resent in order to go abroad and write more pop music.
After so long of the band never revealing splits and problems and just making music, it feels odd when we hear about issues that went on. Totally normal for a group of people that spend alot of time together I guess.
Still nothing compared with the fights in other bands like the Kinks, Oasis, CSNY
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Post by JamesT on May 5, 2020 16:26:07 GMT
A pathetic old man with lamentable dress sense sat in his chair for most of the day spouting bile.
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Post by stuball on May 5, 2020 16:48:06 GMT
I think that if the other Hollies weren't so tight-lipped and guarded in what they say, then we wouldn't give Terry's blatherings the time of day. But as it stands, he's the only game in town, when it comes to all things Hollies. I also get the impression he's bored out of his mind, and Twitter has in effect, become his sole performance platform.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 5, 2020 16:58:25 GMT
I think that if the other Hollies weren't so tight-lipped and guarded in what they say, then we wouldn't give Terry's blatherings the time of day. But as it stands, he's the only game in town, when it comes to all things Hollies. I also get the impression he's bored out of his mind, and Twitter has in effect, become his sole performance platform. That being said, he's been blathering prior to the lockdown, hasn't he? "Hamburg! HaMbUrG! hAmBuRg!!"
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Post by cameron on May 6, 2020 0:12:56 GMT
I can't say that I care for the drama. Their version of drama is nothing compared to that of the Beatles or the Rolling Stones. The "juiciest" bits of Bobby's book weren't enough to raise an eyebrow. But they were at the forefront of one of the most exciting, talked about and revered eras in modern British history. They had an all-access pass to the who's who of the swinging sixties scene - why can't they just talk more about that?
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Post by anthony on May 7, 2020 2:13:48 GMT
Had a look at Terry twitter last night, I just wonder if the guy has always been a tool or has this developed later in his life, imagine going on about how someone looks, gee haven't we all passed that. That's just kids stuff. Seemed to have a swipe at everything Hollies. The guy is under some strange delusion he is the voice of the Hollies thanks to singing LCW in the Rickfors era. Like them or not the current line up still pulls crowds and fills theatres and not the local RSL type clubs and you are number 1 to open for all the other acts. Loved the Sylvester years, such a shame I'm finding out he's such a dill. Big question, I know he was part of the writing team with the Hollies, did he ever write or co write any of the Hits. No wonder Tony and Bobby didn't want to be part of the Hall of fame/Shame.
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Post by cameron on May 7, 2020 8:41:09 GMT
Big question, I know he was part of the writing team with the Hollies, did he ever write or co write any of the Hits. No wonder Tony and Bobby didn't want to be part of the Hall of fame/Shame. Terry didn't co-write any of the mega-hits, but he did co-write 'No More Riders', the B-side the 'The Air That I Breathe' with David Gordon and they also wrote 'Indian Girl', the B-side to 'Magic Woman Touch', so he would have earned the same amount of royalties as the A-side did. So arguably, he probably did the best financially out of all the Hollies on those two hit singles, as songwriters get more royalties than the performers. That's most likely why he got to record his solo album around that time as well. The duo Sylvester/Gordon wrote the overall majority of the original S/T Terry Sylvester solo LP in 1974.
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Post by JamesT on May 7, 2020 10:59:12 GMT
Big question, I know he was part of the writing team with the Hollies, did he ever write or co write any of the Hits. No wonder Tony and Bobby didn't want to be part of the Hall of fame/Shame. Terry didn't co-write any of the mega-hits, but he did co-write 'No More Riders', the B-side the 'The Air That I Breathe' with David Gordon and they also wrote 'Indian Girl', the B-side to 'Magic Woman Touch', so he would have earned the same amount of royalties as the A-side did. So arguably, he probably did the best financially out of all the Hollies on those two hit singles, as songwriters get more royalties than the performers. That's most likely why he got to record his solo album around that time as well. The duo Sylvester/Gordon wrote the overall majority of the original S/T Terry Sylvester solo LP in 1974. And if the US B-side of LCW was the same as the UK one ('Cable Car'), he'd have made even more £££$$$
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Post by baz on May 7, 2020 11:16:50 GMT
And if the US B-side of LCW was the same as the UK one ('Cable Car'), he'd have made even more £££$$$ Unfortunately for Terry, the US B' side was "Look What We've Got", one of Tony and Kenny Lynch's collaborations!
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 7, 2020 14:09:12 GMT
And if the US B-side of LCW was the same as the UK one ('Cable Car'), he'd have made even more £££$$$ Unfortunately for Terry, the US B' side was "Look What We've Got", one of Tony and Kenny Lynch's collaborations! Wow, what a sublime single combination!
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Post by gee on May 7, 2020 17:22:18 GMT
Re Terry's recent rants against Bobby Elliott
It might be Terry has just had a read of Bobby's new book re how;
' the trap door was sprung and that was the end of Sylvester' - on page 304
Bobby bluntly recalling how Terry had an inflated 'fanciful' opinion that he was the most important member of the band and Tony told him a few hard facts as he booted him into touch....
that would really get a long way up Terry's nose - the idea they let Terry shoot his mouth off to trap him into departing - and probably explains his sudden attack on Mr. Elliott whom only recently Terry was speaking of highly...
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Post by baz on May 7, 2020 19:05:41 GMT
Re Terry's recent rants against Bobby Elliott It might be Terry has just had a read of Bobby's new book re how; ' the trap door was sprung and that was the end of Sylvester' - on page 304 Bobby bluntly recalling how Terry had an inflated 'fanciful' opinion that he was the most important member of the band and Tony told him a few hard facts as he booted him into touch.... that would really get a long way up Terry's nose - the idea they let Terry shoot his mouth off to trap him into departing - and probably explains his sudden attack on Mr. Elliott whom only recently Terry was speaking of highly... That would certainly explain how Terry has turned against Bobby as it was only a month or two ago he stated he would never attack/criticise Tony or Bobby. I doubt Bobby meant it in malice, simply stating the truth but alas, Terry is too deluded to listen or admit he may have been hot headed and arrogant himself. I see now he's bragging he's better looking than Graham Nash... how pathetic. At least Graham has a partner. Terry hasn't!
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Post by Tony Wilkinson on May 7, 2020 19:09:19 GMT
Wonder if anyone on here on twitter could send him a link to this thread and maybe he could see how most of us love his music but despair of his attitude...?
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Post by JamesT on May 7, 2020 19:57:06 GMT
Re Terry's recent rants against Bobby Elliott It might be Terry has just had a read of Bobby's new book re how; ' the trap door was sprung and that was the end of Sylvester' - on page 304 Bobby bluntly recalling how Terry had an inflated 'fanciful' opinion that he was the most important member of the band and Tony told him a few hard facts as he booted him into touch.... that would really get a long way up Terry's nose - the idea they let Terry shoot his mouth off to trap him into departing - and probably explains his sudden attack on Mr. Elliott whom only recently Terry was speaking of highly... One problem with this...he's apparently not read the book! I seem to recall him saying this or words to this effect. If you believe that, you'll believe anything... I see he's now found the muppet emoticon...
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 7, 2020 20:16:40 GMT
Lordy lordy lordy lordy lordy. Anybody know who Klaus B is? A musical colleague from Germany apparently trying desperately to bring him down from a HoF rant about Allan and Graham...sigh.
(What's the "thing" about Venezuela?)
Edit: Well, whoever he is, Terry's insulted him too now.
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