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Post by JamesT on May 30, 2020 7:05:46 GMT
Who is this Mary Ann? She is always defending Tezza to the point of vomit-inducing levels? Did she not turn up on this or the previous forum at some point and do the same?
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Post by stuball on May 30, 2020 13:32:59 GMT
I remember that name, James! I believe she was Terry's #1 defender, and she sure had a 'take no prisoners' approach to anyone who suggested Terry's behaviour or talent was anything less than top notch. Didn't Simon have to finally step in and end her 'reign of terror'?
I don't think Terry has a 'fan club' as such, but if he did, my guess is that she'd be the ideal candidate to run it. Say what you like about her abrasive manner, she was certainly loyal to all things Sylvester. And her attack dog manner made Moorlock sound like Mr. Rogers.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 30, 2020 15:23:20 GMT
Someone named Roselyn put oil on the fire (I thought innocently, but...) yesterday by tagging Terry in her post about the charity single. Crissypops, a Clarke fan, tried to be diplomatic and said as much as "um, that's might not have been a good idea!"
And it wasn't. And the "Terrystans" went on the defensive.
Worst part is, Terry AND the stans seem to think it's still 1979. These are full-grown adults?
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Post by thejanitor on May 31, 2020 0:24:45 GMT
Oh boy, I see he's called Allan's new version of "He Ain't Heavy" pathetic. 😒 Surely he can at least appreciate the great cause behind the release?
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Post by anthony on May 31, 2020 0:37:35 GMT
Just had a quick look at his Twitter, gee everyone is getting a nasty spray, Was he bitter when he was in the Hollies, hard to believe he has turned into this since the Hall of Shame, must have had it always in him. Funny when you hear the other Hollies talk they are all class. Pity as I really loved the Sylvester years of the Hollies. Just confirms to me why Bobby and Tony gave the Hall of shame a big miss.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 31, 2020 1:43:10 GMT
Just had a quick look at his Twitter, gee everyone is getting a nasty spray, Was he bitter when he was in the Hollies, hard to believe he has turned into this since the Hall of Shame, must have had it always in him. Funny when you hear the other Hollies talk they are all class. Pity as I really loved the Sylvester years of the Hollies. Just confirms to me why Bobby and Tony gave the Hall of shame a big miss. Bobby's book was a real eye-opener in this regard as to the roots of it all (hint: a combination of youthful ego and Robin Britten). And a reason in itself for some of Terry's tantrums lately. It's not available on Amazon in North America until September, but I was able to pick up a copy through the Book Depository website. They ship worldwide for free...I got mine in Canada shipped from the UK in about 2 weeks.
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Post by gee on May 31, 2020 13:12:25 GMT
It's a Shame it's a Game - how very apt !
While I have some sympathy for Terry he really needs to sort himself out
Terry was SO important in The Hollies history
First ensuring they had 'life after Nash' helping Allan through a rough time with Clarke-Sylvester developing as a fine songwriting team, being the vital emotive high harmony voice on 'He Ain't Heavy' later 'Air That I Breathe' becoming a key band figurehead notably in the early seventies on 'Distant Light' then in the 'Rickfors Hollies' era, giving them another solo balladeer of quality, and through the Clarke-Hicks-Sylvester years...always a fine PR Ambassador for his band plus a decent solo artist too
also having been a noted second generation Merseybeat figure, later a musical partner with James Griffin...
...and only the FIFTH Liverpudlian in the R & R Hall of Fame after The Fab Four, the once good looking sharply dressed guy should be reaping the rewards of a notable musical career
...instead he looks a wreck, and makes continual 'presidential' style online rants full of embittered bile that only makes himself look a 'troubled' figure seemingly trapped wrapped up in past 'issues' forever bleating about one induction show night some TEN YEARS ago now...
Sadly he lost his much loved parents (many of us know the feeling) has had two divorces, lost his musical buddy Jimmy Griffin (costing his music standing Stateside no doubt) and not only has burnt his bridges with The Hollies but keeps re-lighting the fire....!
Reading Bobby's book must have stung him as Bobby relates how the 'trap door was sprung and Sylvester was gone...' - that must really hurt considering how much Terry had given to the band after over twelve years ('hired help' ?)- considering Terry was pushing the band while Allan talked then of giving up touring etc...
then seeing Allan Clarke's most welcomed surprise return to making music.... seeing Graham Nash still making music.... seeing The Hollies 'Unlocked' and intending to visit the USA next year...
Terry must be feeling terribly left behind - BUT he seems to often be his own worst enemy with all these really distasteful tweets that only serve to further alienate him from Hollies fans of both the classic and current versions of the band, plus fans of Clarke and Nash
Terry needs to STOP STOP STOP harking on about past injustices he feels,the bile filled tweets need to STOP RIGHT THERE - he should smarten himself up, try to build on his famous Hollies / Merseybeat / Griffin & Sylvester / solo artist past....and begin to rehabilitate himself with Hollies fans as he is such an important figure in the band's history...For the peace of all mankind ! (womankind too of course)
Terry should put a small band together and go out both saluting his Hollies, and other musical career highlights, plus doing more of his own songs too and try to establish himself as an artist again - and finally lose that mega dated Baywatch reject image !!!
otherwise there is the real possibility he will just be a 'forgotten figure'...
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 13:27:00 GMT
otherwise there is the real possibility he will just be a 'forgotten figure'... Terry who?
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Post by thejanitor on May 31, 2020 14:20:26 GMT
Well put, gee. ☺ I'd love to hear some new solo music from Terry. He may dislike Allan and the present Hollies' recent works and takes pride in the strength of his voice, but I reckon he could make something great for his and Hollies fans regardless of where they stand if he had similar computer equipment and contact methods to his favourite players (like how Allan got Francis Haines to record piano for "Heavy"). Plus I've said it a couple of times now, but I always find his photography to be a highlight of his page, so maybe he could take the cover too!
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Post by cameron on May 31, 2020 14:56:43 GMT
Yesterday, I found a podcast on Spotify with Terry Sylvester. I can't remember the name of it, but it's the only one he's done that's on Spotify, and he elaborates on the RRHOF fiasco without holding back. He stated how Graham Nash "had it in for me" from the start, followed by his usual tripe about them smoking weed and smelling bad. Is it conceivable that Graham perhaps had an ego issue with Terry? After all, the three biggest worldwide Hollies hits happened after Graham left. Perhaps there's a little sour grapes there? Except Graham is a professional and doesn't get involved with the drama, because there's more money to be made exploiting drama within the CSNY clan instead...
Interestingly, Terry says in the podcast that he's still in contact with all the Hollies and "we all hate each other, like most ageing rock bands do".
Conversely, there's another podcast on Spotify with Allan Clarke, with a rather idiotic American interviewer who manages to drag the interview in circles for an hour and a half, but poignantly, Allan also elaborates on the RRHOF fiasco, saying that "Terry seemed off with me from the moment I got there. I don't understand why, his behaviour was hostile from the beginning". He also firmed up that LCW was HIS song, Terry never sung on the recording or even played guitar, so he was mad, out of all the songs they played, that Terry stormed the stage to sing that one. But until that point, Allan had no problem with Terry.
I think the fact that Graham has completely washed his hands of the Hollies, sold his shares in Hollies Ltd, relinquished his voice in the group as far as their recorded legacy is concerned, and conceded in his book that when he re-joined in 81-83, he "realised why I left in the first place within about five minutes", and made a gushing attempt to make the RRHOF night all about "my best friend Allan" rather than the band that propelled him to stardom, speaks volumes in itself. Someone as money orientated as Graham must be mightily p***** off with the whole Hollies organisation to turn his back on making more money out of them, save for his publishing rights, of course.
Is it just their internal management structure that freezes out past members once they've left that causes bitterness? Are perhaps Tony and Bobby the problem after all? They've done exceptionally well to say nothing about it all, Bobby even somehow completely skirts around several of these issues in his book. Even Terry by and large daren't mess with Tony or Bobby. The common thread seems to be that it's the ex-members that are angry about this, that or the other. I have noticed, throughout it all, Terry does perhaps seem to be the most overlooked Hollie. Even Bernie Calvert got featured in the sleeve notes for the Sundazed reissue of 'Evolution' and has featured in the BBC documentary about them and the 'Long Road Home' booklet. Terry seems to be the one who's always missing, but then again, knowing a few people who've dealt with him/his manager over the years, he's very money grabbing when it comes to being interviewed.
I hate mulling over all this because I just think we've all only got one life and the Hollies have done more with theirs than most people do in their lifetime. Like all ageing rockstars who hate each other, why can't they just put their differences aside and cash in on their fame while they're still alive? The Hollies are blessed that three out of their four classic line ups from 1963-1983 have all their original members still with us. Why not just get together for an interview or a photo or something just once and put all this egotistical rubbish behind them? Why not celebrate their success instead of shunning it because it draws attention to ex members? I think it's this division which feeds the hated towards the current line up from some long time fans who perhaps feel like there's some kind of attempt to "erase the past". The business of not being able to write about any ex-Hollies in their own fan club newsletter, leading it to be driven into the ground and also censoring fans on the official forum who dare speak out against the current line up, it's just adding fuel to the fire, and you have to question - why? Why do they care what people say about the past at this point? I just think there's way more to these feuds that we know.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 31, 2020 15:32:19 GMT
Terry seems to have claimed LCW because he performed it live during the Rickfors era.
At least he just tweeted condolences re: Jeni's brother.
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Post by gee on May 31, 2020 17:17:08 GMT
Hopefully Terry's condolences might be the start of a softening of attitude - tho' I expect another hate filled tweet is likely to follow in due course - at times Terry sounds like a 'stuck' record ! Good to hear Allan's angle re that Hall of Fame induction show - LCW was obviously always HIS song, his lone vocal, his guitar, his production overall everyone really knows that whatever some might delude themselves into thinking... When Allan returned HE resumed singing LCW of course as on 'Hollies Live Hits' and countless Hollies concerts both with Terry in the band and thereafter - Terry's claim to be the 'face' of LCW is laughable simply cos he deputised for a departed Clarke on a USA tour and a few TV shows - wouldn't in truth Terry much prefer to be known for say Mr Heartbreaker, Cable Car, Indian Girl, No More Riders, Pick Up The Pieces or even for singing Jesus Was A Crossmaker ? if your main claim to fame is that you for a time sang a hit song that another wrote, played, sang solo and produced....well ! does Mike Rickfors go around claiming to be the 'face' of Bus Stop that is SO sad for Terry really... re The Hollies set up - I think they were always run like a factory business - the Haydock sick notes thing suggested that and once you leave the job...that's it Graham Nash in 1968 said; 'I don't CARE what the others think...' fair enough, so why should The Hollies think anything different ? Actually despite Nash selling his interest in The Hollies - and Clarke sold most of his interests later too - I think that Tony and Bobby are o.k. with Nash who thought of The Hollies re 'Peggy Sue Got Married' in 1996 their last reunion, and Nash and his then wife Susan stayed with Tony and Jane Hicks during the early 80's reunion visit to the UK while Tony and Jane have had holidays with Graham and Susan in the past we know Nash praised up 'Hollies Sing Hollies' in 1970 and his 'screw you Hollies' remark re their three big hits after his departure was said with a wide grin on his face - given the money and standing in the rock music world he made in CSN(Y) over 1969-77, writing two of their hit singles too, I don't think The Hollies three big hits really upset him that much (coming very spaced out over 1969, 72, and 74 as they were) re Terry and Allan - reading Bobby's recent book is it possible Terry bore something of a longtime old grudge concerning Allan's causing them alot of problems over 1979 to 1981 and his wanting to stop touring then which duly directly led to Terry leaving the band and his earnings thus diminishing thereafter ? - and as he must have only recently learned via Bobby's book having the trap door sprung on him whatever I suspect The Hollies were something of a factory business concern - once you left the job it was to an extent a case of; out of sight out of mind...
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Post by cameron on May 31, 2020 20:24:38 GMT
I think most of the issues in the Hollies camp and their past members stems from an egotistical problem of forgetting how they got to be where they are in the first place:
- Eric Haydock just not showing up to commitments in 1966 was really disrespectful. He glosses over the issue in Brian Southall's book by stating that he was taking a stance against the corrupt management - but when the other Hollies have equally lamented that pre-1966 management situation since, why does no one recall Eric Haydock having anything to say about it at the time? I doubt he actually did, I expect the other Hollies' recollections of him having a new wife, new home and increasing touring commitments are most likely to be true. He later tried to use the Hollies' name to his financial advantage.
- Graham Nash leaving the Hollies in 1968, very much with the attitude of he'd "outgrown" them was equally disrespectful. As was getting up on stage with CSNY all over the world and openly slagging the Hollies off and allowing Crosby and Stills to join in on that. They were all green eyed monsters because the Hollies earned themselves way more money than the Byrds or the Buffalo Springfield combined. David Crosby earned so little from the Byrds that he had to borrow $25,000 from Peter Tork in 1967 to buy his beloved boat the Mayan, yet the very same year, the Hollies collectively earned over £250,000 from 'On A Carousel' alone... Was 'Marrakesh Express' really THAT great of a song to warrant walking away from all that success?
- Allan Clarke being pushed out when wanting to cut a solo record was an egotistical nightmare on both sides: Allan feeling the need to go solo because he wasn't being listened to, despite 'Distant Light' being entirely the kind of music that Allan would record over his next three solo LPs. I don't really understand why he felt the need to do this, unless it was because he'd seen Graham do it in 1971 and also his friend and songwriting partner Roger Cook. Then for Tony to not allow Allan to return to promote 'Long Cool Woman', which in the aforementioned podcast a couple of posts up, Allan actually said it was the American record company that specifically asked for Allan when the Hollies were booking gigs over there in 1972. For them to force Allan out was ridiculous anyway. At least Tony acknowledges this now. The public just didn't want the Hollies without Allan.
- Terry Sylvester seemingly was getting too big for his boots with his pal Robin Britten, if Bobby's book is to be believed. Again, forgetting that the Hollies were the band that made him a household name and also this "face of 'Long Cool Woman'" absolute nonsense! To this day, he forgets that he'd be nothing without the Hollies. Who talks about the Escorts now? The only Swinging Blue Jeans song you'll ever hear on the radio now is 'Hippy Hippy Shake', which Terry Sylvester wasn't on!
- Allan Clarke the second time around in 1999 wasn't going to go as quietly as he suggests in recent interviews. According to many people around at the time, Tony issued the ultimatum "he goes or I go" because their concerts weren't selling out any more and Allan's voice had become an embarrassment to them. Tony was right, but I think it hurt Allan more than he lets on, because Tony effectively ended his career for him. You can tell that resentment carries forward when there's a slip of the tongue like the line "there's actually no original members of the Hollies touring in the current group" on the radio last year, which he later apologised for but apparently this really riled Tony.
- Now, the current line up not even acknowledging any of the previous members on stage (not that they really have to), but Peter Howarth forging a career singing songs that he didn't make famous and being allowed to tour solo as the "lead singer of the Hollies" is as misleading as it is disrespectful. Obviously Tony and Bobby are okay with that, as when Eric Haydock tried that in the 1990s, he found himself in the middle of a lawsuit. Erasing past members from the fan club magazine, which ultimately caused its demise was another egotistical move, as was allowing long time fans to be booted off the forum for daring to criticise the current line up. Why do they feel so threatened by past members?
The ONLY core Hollie who seemed to leave on amicable terms was Bernie. Though it's desperately sad that Bruce Welch could come bounding in and say "ditch your bass player" and the Hollies not jump in to defend their fourth longest serving member at that point.
I think ego is a big problem for all bands to one degree or another. When money gets involved, fame and success, it clouds people's judgements. We talk often of the "Hollies Curse", which is usually a missed opportunity or things just not going their way, and usually at the root of those issues is a member or Ron Richards wrongly forcing their opinions on the direction of the band. Maybe a simple vote system like the Beatles had "we all agree or we don't do it" would have worked more in their favour. But it doesn't really matter now does it, the past is the past. I just wish they'd bash their heads together currently and let it all go and support each other. If the Kinks can manage it, then the Hollies certainly can!
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Post by gee on Jun 1, 2020 13:35:58 GMT
I believe there was rather more to the Eric Haydock situation - remember they parted with Cohen with a 'Non disclosure' deal....
Graham Nash took a MASSIVE gamble walking away from guaranteed income with The Hollies in late 1968 to follow his 'American Dream' - 'I could so easily stay here'- but he was very lucky re CSN (already in place with a record deal with Ahmet Ertegen at Atlantic) quickly going down a storm at doing Woodstock....then CSNY and 'Ohio' etc putting Nash firmly in the right place at the right time to become a early seventies US Superstar (which I suspect still grates with some Hollie members...and some fans) however Nash took the big gamble to follow his dream and would not have had his vast success stateside and the wealth had he not seen fit to take the risk of leaving The Hollies because he felt so unhappy and frustrated - so he MADE his dream come true obviously with a big amount of good fortune but as the old saying goes - nothing ventured nothing gained
Nash was proved correct re Marrakesh Express being a hit too - and he proved Ron Richards wrong (as he would also be re 'Long Cool Woman' later on)
Allan Clarke - went from too modest a guy happy to be in Nash's shadow being lead singer but never choosing to ever properly lead the band he co-founded - either with Nash and Hicks or thereafter letting Hicks take FULL control and then gradually after his initial ill at ease 1969 debut at being the main central band figure over time got a bigger and bigger ego as he listened too closely to 'friends' telling him he WAS The Hollies and if Nash can do it most certainly he could etc... - so then he split but unlike Nash had no record deal in place, no producer, no backup band - clever eh ?
Allan never toured as a solo artist seemingly assuming the albums alone would do it for him - and again he repeated the unwise move in 1978 with virtually the same lack of solo success - duly missing out on the USA success of his LCW in 1971 then re the UK success of '20 Golden Greats' in 1978
Allan would later be the last to come onstage in order to get the 'big star' extra applause (something neither Carl Wayne or Peter Howarth ever would do being members of the band ) while more than one venue manager would curse the name Allan Clarke !
going on and on insisting on doing all the lead singing for too many years until forced to allow Alan Coates and Tony vocally take leads to help him...grinding his voice down more and more (thankfully it's got alot better now)until Hicks had little choice but TELL HIM he was going to retire - Jeni's illness playing a key big part re the decision too, but no doubt that Carl Wayne saved The Hollies as a touring band
Terry - as discussed - really proved to be his own worst enemy but needs to remember BUT for The Hollies - and messrs Clarke, Nash and Haydock founding the band in 1962 - what music career would Terry have had ?
certainly he would NOT be the fifth Liverpudlian in that USA Hall of Fame now....and he'd not have his regular income from his Hollie Days either
some points he ought to bear in mind before the next bile flavoured online rant - eh Tezza ?
Tony Hicks REFUSED to dump Bernie from the group even after Bruce Welch told them to 'ditch your bass player' in May 1981 - poor Bernie had several issues then (a divorce being one) and the Bruce Welch issue was almost the last straw....Terry's exit then decided it for him - but Bernie resigned from the band, he was never fired
The current Hollies firmly do play on the Clarke with Nash/Sylvester band's famous hits back catalogue (too much in my opinion by now)- but then so did the Carl Wayne era Hollies and to an extent so did the Rickfors Hollies too !
it goes with the famous band name as Marvin Welch & Farrar duly discovered in 1971 when vainly attempting to escape the ever looming 'shadow'...of The Shadows ! (play F.B.I. Hank !)
so whoever was lead singer of The Hollies today they would be plugging those famous songs as if they had originally done them, regardless of what older people might think - indeed Eric Haydock's band WERE doing that too going out billed as 'THE Hollies' even tho' Eric tried to deny doing it blaming promoters - even if true Haydock COULD have insisted the billings be amended as per the legal agreement re: 'Eric Haydock OF the hollies' etc
while it might seem a bit rich the current Hollies having even LESS actual original members than Haydock's outfit re who actually first went onstage as THE HOLLIES in December 1962 that's simply not the case of course
THE HOLLIES - were the five piece band from 1962 but members left, Hicks and Elliott both onboard in 1963 and remain so to this day, with Haydock, Nash, Clarke (three times), Rickfors, Sylvester, Calvert of the famed recording band each departing in turn....so that Hicks / Elliott are of course legal holders of the band name - something Haydock and his outfit knowingly NEVER were....
so like it or not today's Hollies are legally just that whatever some might choose to believe and while we might argue re musical aspects, the fact is this is the direct descendant band from that 1962 Hollies band with the group never having split up or taken a Moody Blues / Rolling Stones etc style haitus etc
re 'Carousel' - the editing out of past members - well Eric Haydock - was NOT by choice of the editors I can assure you, while whole chunks of my album reviews that originally paid tribute to Eric's bass playing were cut out too (with apologies from the equally frustrated editors to me accordingly) - my overview of Terry Sylvester's musical career went west too...
we did NOT believe the 'pressure' to do that editing came from Tony or Bobby or any other of the current band members either - so work it out for yourselves !!!
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Jun 1, 2020 14:42:30 GMT
I have no issue with leaning on the back catalogue for live performances. Give the people what they want, right? And judging by the Facebook page fans, that's what they want.
I do have an issue when it comes across as an awkward attempt to "compete" with past alumni. "Ooh, charity single by the original singer? Let's get our present singer to perform the exact same song at the exact same time and push it on social media!" I say "comes across" as it might just be ham-handed promotion tactics. Or discomfort that the "past" has come back to potentially affect the present.
I won't venture to analyse the past actions of band members; we're going back 20-25 years now. Decisions and choices were made that seemed right at the time. Shrug.
I will say that Marvin Welch and Farrar was brilliant and people who cling to the past like the F.B.I fans, or a certain Twitter ranter, really get on my last nerve.
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Post by baz on Jun 1, 2020 15:15:50 GMT
The Hollies are a brand/franchise. They continue to sell shows on their heritage as a hit band between 1963-1974. Those hits are their bread and butter and one sure can't blame Tony and Bobby to keep the name and act alive to cater for the many who still want to enjoy it. We've discussed it before elsewhere that the average Hollies gig punter doesn't really know who is or has been in the band. It's the songs they remember and want to hear regardless of who is singing them as lead vocalist - as long as three part harmonies are there, people accept it as The Hollies. The way they have whitewashed earlier members does grate somewhat. Lest us also not forget how suddenly Peter Howarth replaced Carl Wayne... Carl died and within weeks they were back on the road with Peter which some felt was a little insensitive and cold which is pretty much how I felt recently about them shoving out Peter's version of "Heavy" shortly after Allan's new version.
Ah... Marvin, Welch and Farrar! Artistically, a triumph but commercially a complete disaster. Shades of the old Graham Nash/Mickie Most dartboard theory there as whatever Hank Marvin chose to do, he could never escape from The Shadows. Such a shame because those two MWF albums stand up much better than a lot more popular albums of that era and dare I even say, I much prefer their harmonies to Crosby, Stills and Nash!
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Post by cameron on Jun 1, 2020 23:34:29 GMT
we did NOT believe the 'pressure' to do that editing came from Tony or Bobby or any other of the current band members either - so work it out for yourselves !!! There's some kind of power struggle going on there, and I think Tony and Bobby are completely unaware of just how deep that crack has run into their loyal fanbase community and the resulting upset its caused over the years. I also don't think they know how badly it reflects on them personally that these kind of things go on behind the scenes. Funnily enough, I've heard plenty of stories from lots of people that Allan was something of a nightmare to deal with both when he was a bit off the rails in the 1970s and after when he got sober. In fact, there seems to be more stories from the 1980s and 1990s of many a theatre manager bearing the brunt of his wrath! He was obviously feeling insecure about his failing voice. It's a desperate situation all round, which is why I'm so happy that he came out of retirement. 'Resurgence' is the best and consistently high quality new offering we've had from any Hollie past or present in the last 20 years or more. If the Hollies would have recorded that album, even without Allan but with the same arrangements, all would be forgiven I think because the quality is there. Allan's songwriting stands up on its own. I think he needed to be free of the Hollies to do it though. We've agreed that his voice is still up to singing perfectly well, just not those bubblegum pop songs of the 1960s. He's taken on a whole new richness to his sound and style now he's in his 70s. Those years of experience and living coming through with every word he sings. With that new sound comes a new attitude where he comes across in interviews as extremely humble, polite and engaging. There were many interviews from the past where the opposite was true! I kind of feel like all is forgiven now with him and he's shown wonderful artistic growth and I'm really excited to see what he does next. On the other hand, I don't know why, if Terry is so adamant that his voice is so good and he doesn't rehearse because he's such a professional musician that he doesn't need to, why Terry isn't writing and recording some solo material? I think he still has the potential to undo some of the damage he's done to his reputation over the last decade. It's time he bucked up his ideas and put his money where his runaway mouth is, because I know the fans will ultimately support it if he can take the high road with his attitude while promoting it. I think there's still time for him to create a positive legacy for himself. This is my over-riding message - fans love the Hollies no matter what. Personalities and politics aside, we love the music. I don't think any of them owe us anything more, but I feel like Allan's recent output and the way he comes across in interviews to be a really happy ending to what was not the happiest of tales when you consider everything. He's undone most, if not all of the damage he may have done in the past as far as the fans are concerned. Funnily enough, David Crosby is having a similar resurgence lately, turning out great new music, owning up to the BS he put people through in the past and remaining incredibly real about his situation and his relationships to his past band members. In the end, it's the physical body of work left behind that's the most important, especially when you're six feet under one day. No one dare speak ill of someone like John Lennon or Jimi Hendrix et al now, and their body of work has been appraised time and time again, with fans still wanting more. Their personalities, drug issues, the way they treated women or any morality issues that flagged up during their lifetime are completely forgotten and buried with them now. Even more recently, someone like Amy Winehouse - she was hounded day and night by the press when she was alive, yet now she's gone she's practically a saint, with many fans upset that on reflection, she never got more recorded during her career. So my message to the Hollies past and present (and anyone in their organisation who will likely be reading this) is to focus on that legacy and do what you can to improve it while you still have control over it and the story isn't over yet. Have your name be remembered as the one who did something positive and proactive in contributing to adding to that already great legacy. Time spent fighting and holding grudges is time wasted. You don't build yourself up by pulling others down.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Jun 2, 2020 0:20:11 GMT
On the other hand, I don't know why, if Terry is so adamant that his voice is so good and he doesn't rehearse because he's such a professional musician that he doesn't need to, why Terry isn't writing and recording some solo material? I think he still has the potential to undo some of the damage he's done to his reputation over the last decade. It's time he bucked up his ideas and put his money where his runaway mouth is, because I know the fans will ultimately support it if he can take the high road with his attitude while promoting it. I think there's still time for him to create a positive legacy for himself. This. And why doesn't he perform in lockdown like so many others if he's so concerned about his legacy and proving everybody wrong? If he thinks he's still "got" it? Instead he obsesses with how everyone "looks" and how he has more hair (whoop-de-dooooo you inherited the hair gene; give the man a cookie). The best defence is a good offence, Terry.
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Post by anthony on Jun 2, 2020 0:38:19 GMT
Hi All, Baz is right, the main concert goer who attends the Hollies shows would have little idea of who's in the band, who was in the band, really any history of it's members. I know that from when I have seen the Hollies here in Melbourne over the years, most have no idea, it's just they remember the hits and want a nostalgic night out. From what I have seen there is no love lost between past members and the band as it stands now. But this type of thing is not new with bands that have lasted over long periods, Look at Fleetwood Mac of recent times. Most oldies bands have little or no original members, others have two versions, look at HH the Searches, Sweet. As Baz also said you can't blame Tony and Bobby for wanting to keep going, I've seen Bobby and Peter Howarth having a beer in the pub after a show and Bobby seems so happy with what he is doing. I believe its a passion for these guys. Great point Cameron, Terry is going on about having a full head of hair and looking good and pleased to put the boots in, well where is the next recording, what do they say talk is cheep. Terry is like all the Hollies, you mention their names and it's like WHO! I had heard stories that theatres didn't want to book the Hollies in Allan's later years with the band. Carl Wayne came in and things picked up, he brought a lot of move fans over with him also. personally I'm not a fan of people who put down places or people that have given them a good living, If Terry hadn't joined the Hollies he would have just been a name in the long past as a member of the Escorts, joined the Swinging Blue Jeans when they finish making hits, I'm sure he would have ended up in the work force like the rest of us here. So with the current band, the public who sees a show and thinks I'll buy a Hollies Best of/greatest hits I'm sure some of the royalties go to Terry, how quickly they forget where their living has come from.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Jun 2, 2020 1:31:21 GMT
Speaking as a musician's wife, I know that for many it's not just a job; it's who you are -- whether you make a living at it or not. If you can't play or perform, who are you? The existential crisis that must result when you feel that slipping away must be gut wrenching. I mean, Keith Emerson committed suicide because he could no longer play keyboards.
Some can evolve and adjust to a new reality, like Allan. But, going back to Terry, maybe wallowing in the past is safer than facing the present.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 7:32:55 GMT
I don't believe that Terry's voice is anywhere near as good a shape as Graham's is, despite his claims. Certainly at The R&R Hall of Fame he sounded rough, and that was a decade ago! I'd love to be proven wrong though, so Terry, if you're reading this, how about recording something, or even putting online some acoustically-backed home videos?
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Post by anthony on Jun 2, 2020 9:22:15 GMT
This was many years ago, I can see why he doesn’t record anything. I’m assuming he wrote this song, very simplistic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 9:35:54 GMT
I quite like it, and Terry's voice sounds pretty good... that said (at the risk of upsetting people), his voice was never particularly distinctive. This is probably what made him such a great harmony singer, particularly on smoother, almost middle-of-the-road, material. Graham Nash on the other hand stamps his personality all over a song even when doing harmonies. So, much as I prefer Graham's voice, I'm inclined to agree that Terry sometimes made a better harmony singer, rather than a great lead vocalist.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Jun 2, 2020 13:57:41 GMT
I quite like it, and Terry's voice sounds pretty good... that said (at the risk of upsetting people), his voice was never particularly distinctive. This is probably what made him such a great harmony singer, particularly on smoother, almost middle-of-the-road, material. Graham Nash on the other hand stamps his personality all over a song even when doing harmonies. So, much as I prefer Graham's voice, I'm inclined to agree that Terry sometimes made a better harmony singer, rather than a great lead vocalist. That's what I've always said. Especially after I heard his solo album. He's not the first to help create sublime harmonies without necessarily having a great lead voice.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Jun 2, 2020 14:10:27 GMT
Well. Something shut Terry up. Hasn't tweeted in two days.
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