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Post by sandy on Oct 11, 2020 18:47:57 GMT
Agreed! You don't have to be stupid to be on social media, but it sure helps. For Terry, his career options have shrunk so badly that 'Twitter' is his only media platform to connect with his fans, such as they are. But most of his fans -- the ones who aren't synchophants, the ones who expressed genuine concern for him -- have all been blocked. He's not "connecting" with anybody. They're like the real life "yes men" who followed tragic figures like Elvis around and did him no favours. EXACTLY!!👌👌
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Oct 11, 2020 20:42:17 GMT
Haha yes I'm in the same age group as a lot of these stans, but I can only sit back and watch as I'm personally not interested in joining Twitter. I'll own up to getting a bit carried away with it though by suggesting to a few on Instagram about spamming some appreciation for Peter Howarth and the other guys from the present line-up when they go over there to purposely irritate Terry over his claims they aren't real Hollies, but I don't think that's gone through... 😏 One gave a plug to Mikael Rikfors! I thought that was nice... Nah, they are stuck in a 60s fantasy world those kids. I follow a couple who aren't too extreme because they make me laugh and aren't uncomfortable with an old bag like me occasionally commenting. Their big loves are Nash and "Toe Knee" (lol)...
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Oct 12, 2020 17:33:24 GMT
They don't like him on Instagram either! Saw the photo, wondered why there were only four in the photo and translated the tweet from the original Spanish. Oops!
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Post by lulubell on Oct 17, 2020 19:49:38 GMT
But most of his fans -- the ones who aren't synchophants, the ones who expressed genuine concern for him -- have all been blocked. He's not "connecting" with anybody. They're like the real life "yes men" who followed tragic figures like Elvis around and did him no favours. EXACTLY!!👌👌 Since when was Elvis a tragic figure? He is not connecting with anybody. What rubbish! He is connecting with me, big time, and is connecting with his huge fan following. Whatever happened to ''Be Nice''.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Oct 17, 2020 20:00:35 GMT
Since when was Elvis a tragic figure? He is not connecting with anybody. What rubbish! He is connecting with me, big time, and is connecting with his huge fan following. Whatever happened to ''Be Nice''.
Since always? Since he was a prescription drug addict surrounded by "yes men" that enabled him to abuse himself? How old are you? I was a teenager when he died and I knew all this. And did you ask Terry to be nice or is it okay for him to slander former colleagues by calling them "druggies" and making fun of the natural process of ageing?
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Post by lulubell on Oct 17, 2020 21:29:47 GMT
Your response does not make sense. Do you mean Elvis was a tragic figure since ‘always’ or since he was a prescription drug addict? The two are quite different. You say you were a teenager when Elvis died and that you knew all this. How does being a teenager when Elvis died make you better informed? You ask how old I am in a condescending manner as if age carries superiority. Well, I am German and saw Elvis perform here in Germany in 1958. I guess that makes me older than you and seemingly wiser. Do you not see the irony in what you write? You write that Elvis was a drug addict yet object to Terry calling ‘former colleagues’ druggies. Elvis, Paul, Graham were all habitual drug users - it is a fact.
I joined Elevated Observations a few months ago hoping to enjoy an exchange of information and opinions about The Hollies, whilst accepting that we would not all hold the same views. I am most disappointed to find you and some other members using this forum to be so unkind. I think the English word is to ‘bitch’. I read another member ‘The Janitor’ suggesting about ‘’spamming some appreciation for Peter Howarth and the other guys from the present line-up when they go over there to purposely irritate Terry over his claims they aren't real Hollies.’’ This is not the spirit that I was expecting from this forum.
Are there any comments from the Moderator before I leave this group?
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Oct 17, 2020 22:06:40 GMT
Your response does not make sense. Do you mean Elvis was a tragic figure since ‘always’ or since he was a prescription drug addict? The two are quite different. You say you were a teenager when Elvis died and that you knew all this. How does being a teenager when Elvis died make you better informed? You ask how old I am in a condescending manner as if age carries superiority. Well, I am German and saw Elvis perform here in Germany in 1958. I guess that makes me older than you and seemingly wiser. Do you not see the irony in what you write? You write that Elvis was a drug addict yet object to Terry calling ‘former colleagues’ druggies. Elvis, Paul, Graham were all habitual drug users - it is a fact. I joined Elevated Observations a few months ago hoping to enjoy an exchange of information and opinions about The Hollies, whilst accepting that we would not all hold the same views. I am most disappointed to find you and some other members using this forum to be so unkind. I think the English word is to ‘bitch’. I read another member ‘The Janitor’ suggesting about ‘’spamming some appreciation for Peter Howarth and the other guys from the present line-up when they go over there to purposely irritate Terry over his claims they aren't real Hollies.’’ This is not the spirit that I was expecting from this forum. Are there any comments from the Moderator before I leave this group? That Elvis was addicted to prescription meds was a fact. That he was surrounded by people who abused him was a fact. That's not insults. Allan wasn't a druggie. Paul no longer uses. Graham no longer uses. Terry speaks as if it's 1980. And insults the appearance of all of them, including Bobby's 'eye bags' and the natural aging of others. But he's "kind"? How exactly? Where are his charity singles? What exactly has he done in 2020? We were ALL fans. And we still appreciate his musical contributions to the band to this day. I personally have respect for the music, but no longer have respect for the man. Are we supposed to just ignore everything he says and fawn all over him regardless? Even when he insults the rest of the Hollies? Meanwhile, they all act like total gentlemen and never insult him? He gets what he gives, sycophant. Deal with it.
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Post by lulubell on Oct 17, 2020 23:10:26 GMT
No one in their right sense of mind would say that Allan and Graham acted like 'total gentlemen' at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. If Graham were a gentleman, he would have left the stage for Long Cool Woman. After all he had left the group by the time this song came out. In calling me a sycophant, you are acknowledging that Terry is a person of some importance and influence. At least we agree on that point. Ha ha and Auf Wiedersehen.
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Post by dirtyfaz on Oct 17, 2020 23:29:47 GMT
I have to say something but what is the point. This Terry think has gone on and on and on for years. Boring!!. Get over it.
I agree with lulubell re Elvis. There was much more to him than the later period of his life.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 6:27:24 GMT
I have to say something but what is the point. This Terry think has gone on and on and on for years. Boring!!. Get over it. I agree with lulubell re Elvis. There was much more to him than the later period of his life. Doesn't Elvis have his own website or forum?
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Post by dirtyfaz on Oct 18, 2020 8:20:52 GMT
Guess he does but I didn't bring Elvis into this topic. Sarcasm is the lowest form of whit. Thank You.
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Post by sandy on Oct 18, 2020 12:58:03 GMT
No one in their right sense of mind would say that Allan and Graham acted like 'total gentlemen' at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. If Graham were a gentleman, he would have left the stage for Long Cool Woman. After all he had left the group by the time this song came out. In calling me a sycophant, you are acknowledging that Terry is a person of some importance and influence. At least we agree on that point. Ha ha and Auf Wiedersehen. . With apologies to moderator.....final post on Terry.. Whatever,whatever went on at the Hall of Fame,it was not organised well.Terry was not expecting to sing. He admits he jumped up there on a whim, only because they sang Long Cool Woman.Organisers were not expecting him to sing. Allan and Graham were not expecting him to sing.Terry suddenly appearing threw everything into chaos. Allan tried to bring it back to how it had been rehearsed, after letting Terry sing a verse.....It was a mess.....No 'snub' was done on purpose...it was Terry causing the chaos by rushing onstage. BUT,BUT,whatever.... it certainly does not give Terry license to be rude, abusive and bordering libellous in his endless personal rants, forevermore!.It was a LONG time ago!!The other guys have never spoken a bad word about him, have retained their dignity and got on with their own lives, not living in the past.If he had done the same,he would still hold the respect of all his fans, who still hold his professional contribution to the Hollies in the highest esteem,in every way, even now. However,all Terry does is continually regurgitate negativity, name call, insult,and threaten to reveal nasty stories about each member the band of which he was such a large part of, and destroy all respect for himself in the process.No one, especially true Hollies fans, will ever want to read a book full of irrelevant,nasty pettiness from a guy who joined in 1969 ,and left the band in 1981 or so. He will not move on,he has wasted years and years doing this now.He could have been writing, producing new material,like the rest of the guys, but no, just hours of Tweeting insults and threats.His "reveal all" book has been threatened for nine years now. His Twitter followers,of which I used to be one, don't 'engage' with him, they just agree with his rants,no matter how obnoxious they are, and then make his emotional state even worse by adding to them , sometimes using pernicious language.I could quote lots of examples. ,( "Yes Terry, they cast him aside like a dry old dog...". " Was it really bad Terry... they treated you so bad, how bad was it?"??!?!) These are not fans, these are social hangers on, desperate to provoke a' like' from him..which he never does. He closed down his website.He doesn't 'interact' ,reply,or give anything at all, unless you love everything he says, which is often sheer unpleasantness. Fans have just given up on him,and feel sad for him.....such a shame. He blocked us all, merely for trying to get him to talk about better more positive times, of which there are so many! As I said to him, people now will only remember his nastiness, not his superb harmonies and songwriting, and that is a huge pity.....so many years wasted. Creativity is always better than extreme negativity, especially in today's world, and Terry exudes absolutely none of the former, but plenty of the self destructive latter, and that's why you're seeing posts like this on Hollies' sites. If you have left this group then bye. Terry's bubble is another place, and actually one where his 'huge' following are deserting him..... End.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Oct 18, 2020 15:58:49 GMT
I have to say something but what is the point. This Terry think has gone on and on and on for years. Boring!!. Get over it. I agree with lulubell re Elvis. There was much more to him than the later period of his life. No one said there wasn't. But he was tragic. He was used by his manager. He was used by hangers on. He died. But to judge him merely on his music (or on what he was in 1958) is putting blinders on. People should learn lessons from his life; not ignore them because they're starstruck.
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Post by lulubell on Oct 18, 2020 15:59:29 GMT
Sandy, Thank you for your well delivered objective response. Whilst I do not agree with everything you write, I respect your views and the fact that you are able to disagree with me without the name calling of previous members. Bye.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Oct 18, 2020 16:01:21 GMT
No one in their right sense of mind would say that Allan and Graham acted like 'total gentlemen' at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. If Graham were a gentleman, he would have left the stage for Long Cool Woman. After all he had left the group by the time this song came out. In calling me a sycophant, you are acknowledging that Terry is a person of some importance and influence. At least we agree on that point. Ha ha and Auf Wiedersehen. . With apologies to moderator.....final post on Terry.. Whatever,whatever went on at the Hall of Fame,it was not organised well.Terry was not expecting to sing. He admits he jumped up there on a whim, only because they sang Long Cool Woman.Organisers were not expecting him to sing. Allan and Graham were not expecting him to sing.Terry suddenly appearing threw everything into chaos. Allan tried to bring it back to how it had been rehearsed, after letting Terry sing a verse.....It was a mess.....No 'snub' was done on purpose...it was Terry causing the chaos by rushing onstage. BUT,BUT,whatever.... it certainly does not give Terry license to be rude, abusive and bordering libellous in his endless personal rants, forevermore!.It was a LONG time ago!!The other guys have never spoken a bad word about him, have retained their dignity and got on with their own lives, not living in the past.If he had done the same,he would still hold the respect of all his fans, who still hold his professional contribution to the Hollies in the highest esteem,in every way, even now. However,all Terry does is continually regurgitate negativity, name call, insult,and threaten to reveal nasty stories about each member the band of which he was such a large part of, and destroy all respect for himself in the process.No one, especially true Hollies fans, will ever want to read a book full of irrelevant,nasty pettiness from a guy who joined in 1969 ,and left the band in 1981 or so. He will not move on,he has wasted years and years doing this now.He could have been writing, producing new material,like the rest of the guys, but no, just hours of Tweeting insults and threats.His "reveal all" book has been threatened for nine years now. His Twitter followers,of which I used to be one, don't 'engage' with him, they just agree with his rants,no matter how obnoxious they are, and then make his emotional state even worse by adding to them , sometimes using pernicious language.I could quote lots of examples. ,( "Yes Terry, they cast him aside like a dry old dog...". " Was it really bad Terry... they treated you so bad, how bad was it?"??!?!) These are not fans, these are social hangers on, desperate to provoke a' like' from him..which he never does. He closed down his website.He doesn't 'interact' ,reply,or give anything at all, unless you love everything he says, which is often sheer unpleasantness. Fans have just given up on him,and feel sad for him.....such a shame. He blocked us all, merely for trying to get him to talk about better more positive times, of which there are so many! As I said to him, people now will only remember his nastiness, not his superb harmonies and songwriting, and that is a huge pity.....so many years wasted. Creativity is always better than extreme negativity, especially in today's world, and Terry exudes absolutely none of the former, but plenty of the self destructive latter, and that's why you're seeing posts like this on Hollies' sites. If you have left this group then bye. Terry's bubble is another place, and actually one where his 'huge' following are deserting him..... End. Couldn't have said it better. Thank you, sandy.
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Post by thejanitor on Oct 18, 2020 18:33:23 GMT
Okay, I apologise, lulubell. I agree the way my post was worded was harsh and I respect your opinions. Personally, I don't agree with Terry's views and swipes on the present Hollies, Allan etc. but looking back I feel I have fed into this thread in response to those a few times myself quite poorly. I sincerely wish you all the best if you are leaving this forum behind.
Sandy's post does say it best, but now I believe this time for real, there's nothing more to say about Terry's Twitter. Although we disagree with some of what he says, we are just going around in circles in our responses to Terry doing the exact same and the whole thing's become a bore. No matter how hard we try (😏) and want Terry to make peace with his issues, I think he's unfortunately stuck permanently in his ways. Now seems like a perfect time to just leave him in his world and talk about his better times and past achievements over here for ourselves. I'm still awaiting this thread's deletion, or at least, to have it locked or sink back a few pages.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 18:52:35 GMT
I'm still awaiting this thread's deletion, or at least, to have it locked or sink back a few pages. Why delete it? It's just people's opinions on what most of us consider a former Holly's unreasonable behaviour (though personally I'd rather discuss music, whether by The Hollies or otherwise!).
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Post by lulubell on Oct 18, 2020 22:10:34 GMT
Thank you, The Janitor. Yes we could go round in circles for ever re Terry so best to be grateful for his tremendous contribution to The Hollies and post the Hollies. Thank you for your good wishes but your conciliatory message and Sandy's post have convinced me not to leave so hope to catch up with you over happier topics on this forum. Take care.
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Post by gee on Oct 19, 2020 10:59:09 GMT
'Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend...'
thus wrote and sang wise John Lennon - before he fell out with Paul McCartney...and George...even Yoko !
but of course the message itself was wise and SO true - we don't want anyone upset or feeling they need to quit the forum, this forum was set up by Simon for us to discuss and hopefully inform and increase each other's understanding and enjoyment of The Hollies plus other bands of their era - you never know it all and to continue to learn from each other here is a particularly good thing about the forum
re Terry, as I have said before I am concerned for him - he has got to a very isolated position with many Hollies fans partly his own doing and partly events going against him over time BUT his contribution to The Hollies story cannot be under estimated nor should ever be - we all know how much Terry gave to the band over 1969 to 1981
He's had things go against him re losing loved ones, and a great pal Jimmy Griffin who was an important USA figure as well for Terry.
It's unfortunate that Tony and Bobby missed that Hall of Fame show as I feel sure had they been present at least the performancre would have been better organised from a 'who does what' angle
- I think Graham wanted 'a night for Allan' to give his oldest friend some belated USA media attention and acclaim he felt was overdue - all very understandable perhaps but as a result sadly Terry WRONGLY missed out on also being featured too which led to the debarcle
I can see WHAT Nash was trying to do for Clarkey...and how galling it all looked for Terry ! - Had Hicks and Elliott been there they could have sorted a proper HOLLIES group performance out between them !
instead of a chance to 'patch up' a few old lingering issues turned into an emphatic broken bridge instead...
I feel Terry DOES have some justified issues, probably non musical ones but you can't keep slagging off old friends without turning others against you and on the internet that is a very dodgy thing to do...
I suspect alcohol - a depressant drug itself - is involved here as Terry otherwise is a very upbeat happy 'chirpy' guy who was such a fine ambassador for The Hollies for so many years which we should not forget
I sincerely hope Terry can sort out any issues he has, get songwriting again and can come back into Hollies fans circles where we would all like to see him back - his musical stories would be so fascinating to hear as he was a legendary merseybeat figure plus a 'Hollie'
and people on here can then happily discuss ALL Hollie members in a positive light - life is indeed too short for fussing and fighting as a guy who would have been 80 this year once wrote and sang...
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Post by The Dude on Oct 19, 2020 16:05:42 GMT
'Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend...' thus wrote and sang wise John Lennon - before he fell out with Paul McCartney...and George...even Yoko ! The lines you quote are the middle eight bars of the song, which Lennon said he wrote. According to him the rest of the song was written by Paul McCartney, inspired by his then girlfriend Jane Asher. (Source: Beatlesongs by William J. Dowlding)
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Post by gee on Oct 19, 2020 16:43:32 GMT
John only sings (with Paul) the middle 8 lines he wrote
- as later on 'Get Back' he only sings the line he originally wrote; 'Get Back To where you once belong...'
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