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Post by JamesT on Feb 18, 2020 23:12:22 GMT
Sadly Terry is rambling again today. Hes shared a photo of his rrhof award 5 times! He keeps putting down the current Hollies. I see someone is attempting to take him to task!
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Post by anthony on Feb 19, 2020 3:57:22 GMT
Hi All, Terry was a big important member of the Hollies and has the Hall of fame award and is keen to knock the current line up, I'm posting two clips and lets see how both stack up towards each other, both open air, plus both filmed by someone in the audience, First clip: Terry is helped out by Peter Noones band, very casual, you are able to walk around and talk, a few deck chairs to sit on, stage clothes, baggy shorts. Voice seen better days. one non original Hollies, looks maybe a free concert. could be wrong but the crowd seem to be wanting to know where Herman is, "We want Misers Brown you've got a lovely daughter" Second clip: Hollies, well they support themselves, audience there seem more intent to listen, look professional, Not original singer, Two longer term non Hollies. both not original singer.
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Post by eric on Feb 19, 2020 6:35:19 GMT
In recent years in Australia, The Hollies have played sellout concerts in some of the finest theatres in the land. This speaks volumes for their reputation Down Under. It is sad to say, but Terry would not get a gig of any note in this neck of the woods. Terry did make a great contribution to The Hollies back in the day, but he was never the artist that Graham Nash was (and still is). As we know, Nash can pull a strong audience in good venues.
I found Sylvester's comments about Allan Clarke to be very distasteful. If Terry cannot be positive in future with his comments, then the less we hear from him the better.
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Post by anthony on Feb 19, 2020 23:38:53 GMT
In recent years in Australia, The Hollies have played sellout concerts in some of the finest theatres in the land. This speaks volumes for their reputation Down Under. It is sad to say, but Terry would not get a gig of any note in this neck of the woods. Terry did make a great contribution to The Hollies back in the day, but he was never the artist that Graham Nash was (and still is). As we know, Nash can pull a strong audience in good venues. I found Sylvester's comments about Allan Clarke to be very distasteful. If Terry cannot be positive in future with his comments, then the less we hear from him the better. Last time Terry did a tour here with Joey Molland 2009 Their Melbourne show was cancelled, I was good friends with a guy from their backing band and he informed me it was through lack of ticket sales, he said they had only sold 100 tickets and two of those were mine, a real pity because he was going to set up a meet with Terry.
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Post by dirtyfaz on Feb 20, 2020 2:51:52 GMT
I saw them on that tour in Sydney at the Rooty Hill RSL Club. Had a long chat with Terry afterwards. The show itself was only average.
I keep wondering why we give space and comments to Terry's twitter. I am not on his twitter account so I don't know what gets said there. I am sure we only hear the bad or things we disagree with on that site.
I don't know why we bother with posting his rubbish. We really don't need to hear his opinions about stuff or even bother passing on our thoughts about the negativity.
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Post by anthony on Feb 20, 2020 3:40:09 GMT
I saw them on that tour in Sydney at the Rooty Hill RSL Club. Had a long chat with Terry afterwards. The show itself was only average. I keep wondering why we give space and comments to Terry's twitter. I am not on his twitter account so I don't know what gets said there. I am sure we only hear the bad or things we disagree with on that site. I don't know why we bother with posting his rubbish. We really don't need to hear his opinions about stuff or even bother passing on our thoughts about the negativity. Pleased you saw the show and Spoke to Terry, from all reports he is friendly and a nice guy. I did see some footage that was posted on line at the time of a few songs. I think Terry's Twitter gets so much time here as in real terms its one of the few things that is current re the band. We have Allan's new recordings and Bob's book at the moment and that's about it. In general we are talking about events 40 plus years ago. a tour starts soon with the current line up but that gets a bit testy when spoken about. Terry gets air time by lack of anything else I feel. The sad part its all so negative.
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Post by JamesT on Feb 20, 2020 6:08:32 GMT
I met Terry after a package tour thing he was doing over here in 2011. He was very friendly, chatted away and signed CDs. The reality between the live and social media entities seems to be very polarised.
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Post by cameron on Feb 20, 2020 16:59:14 GMT
Either way, Terry is sat alone in his Florida apartment mouthing off on Twitter at Hollies fans and the rest of the Hollies. Yesterday, Allan Clarke is on the UK's most popular afternoon radio show promoting his new album and within a few hours, his album had shot to the top of the Amazon "Movers and Shakers" oldies chart. So who's the real loser here? I think it's time we consciously stopped giving Terry air time now until he either makes good on his promise to show some actual receipts of his grievances or shuts up altogether and focuses on telling positive anecdotes of his Hollies days.
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Post by Tony Wilkinson on Feb 20, 2020 17:59:27 GMT
Terry Sylvester @terry_Sylvester Of course I’m in contact with the real Hollies, we own the copyrights to our music, so we are still partners, Robin Britten set us up for life, RIP Robbo
* Fantasising......??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 18:41:04 GMT
Terry Sylvester @terry_Sylvester Of course I’m in contact with the real Hollies, we own the copyrights to our music, so we are still partners, Robin Britten set us up for life, RIP Robbo * Fantasising......?? Maybe, maybe not. He did say that he had to help pay to sue Eric Haydock, and this is probably because of that agreement.
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Post by moorlock2003 on Mar 14, 2020 14:03:29 GMT
I read Terry's latest Twitter posts, and he is so right; calling that claptrap "The Hollies" IS an embarrassment.
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Post by johnt on Mar 15, 2020 14:28:59 GMT
I read Terry's latest Twitter posts, and he is so right; calling that claptrap "The Hollies" IS an embarrassment. "Here I Go Again"
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Post by gee on Mar 15, 2020 19:49:24 GMT
Terry Sylvester makes a right mess of 'The Air That I Breathe' and the backup band sound very 'loose' to put it mildly - there is nothing there that grabs you as being even remotely 'Hollies' at all....
....and Terry still looks like a 'Baywatch reject' !
The Hollies version sounds more polished musically with Hicks guitarwork, and much tighter vocals however while neither can replicate the 'classic' Hollies with Clarke in his prime and a younger Sylvester on 'angelic' high harmony vocal I can't help but feel that for the current Hollies without obviously Allan Clarke's lead voice the biggest loss now is....Alan Coates high harmony voice to give that 'soaring' high harmony sound that just isn't there with Steve Lauri's harmony voice
for me Steve Lauri's voice merely adds to the sound he does not lift it to a complete harmony sound as Nash / Sylvester / Coates each could do...
Sylvester's voice is o.k. now to sing lead but sounds nothing like he once did and he NEVER was an 'Allan Clarke' no matter what some may delude themselves into believing, he was chiefly a high harmony vocalist of great pedigree and a good but not spectacular lead vocalist
Alan Coates voice might not be there now anyway but IF he still could sing as he did for the group he would have made a big and key difference in their vocal harmonies, in many ways it's a great shame Alan Coates departed the band just after Carl Wayne passed away
here's an example of Alan Coates high harmony voice in their sound;
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Post by thejanitor on Mar 15, 2020 20:45:43 GMT
"Hopefully the pathetic ‘Tony Hicks / Bobby Elliott + Sidemen’ USA tour will also be off, the ‘Hollies’ legacy really needs better than that crap"
Well Terry, Allan released an excellent and generally well received album last year (which you quickly dismissed without any kind of constructive criticism), Bobby is currently releasing his autobiography and there's an archival release on the way. I'd argue those are all great alternate things to come out of the Hollies legacy if the current band is personally not your cup of tea.
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Post by stuball on Mar 16, 2020 15:54:41 GMT
I tend to think Terry has way to much time on his hands. That old saying 'an idle mind is the devil's playground' comes to mind.
No longer recording, so no longer writing songs. Virtually no longer touring, even if it was on the bottom of the bill, on what has often been referred to as the soul-destroying, has-been circuit. Seems to have burnt all his bridges with all the 'important' Hollies, past and present. And to add insult to injury, his once angelic voice seems to have deserted him long ago. Not a pretty picture.
Seems to be at cross purposes with his chief claim to fame being 'I used to be one of The Hollies' while at the same time taking continual swipes at the group and its members, both past and present.
I suppose he's operating on the old principle that 'all publicity is good publicity'. Even if all it really amounts to is a torrent of nasty remarks about his former bandmates. Very sad to see.
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Post by cameron on Mar 16, 2020 17:42:35 GMT
The Hollies version sounds more polished musically with Hicks guitarwork, and much tighter vocals however while neither can replicate the 'classic' Hollies with Clarke in his prime and a younger Sylvester on 'angelic' high harmony vocal I can't help but feel that for the current Hollies without obviously Allan Clarke's lead voice the biggest loss now is....Alan Coates high harmony voice to give that 'soaring' high harmony sound that just isn't there with Steve Lauri's harmony voice for me Steve Lauri's voice merely adds to the sound he does not lift it to a complete harmony sound as Nash / Sylvester / Coates each could do... I'm with Gee on this one. People point their frustrations at Peter Howarth, who is actually a superbly capable vocalist. I'll admit he's not in the same mould as Allan Clarke, Mikael Rickfors or Carl Wayne in the respect that they were real chesty belters when it came to singing. Howarth is smooth and refined. That doesn't make him worse or better, just different. But, in my opinion, the "Hollies Sound" was sustained across both the Mikael Rickfors period and the Carl Wayne Period because of that confident high harmony. It's sheer coincidence that it stopped at Peter Howarth joining because Alan Coates also left at the same time. I'm wondering how Steve Lauri came to the Hollies' attention? Obviously Ray Stiles has been with the band for 35+ years and he was a famous name from Mud. Ian Parker too has been with the Hollies for decades, but joined as that auxiliary "6th member" that they'd had on and off since Pete Wingfield in the mid-1970s, so I understand that. I've delved into Steve Lauri's solo career and listened to quite a few of his solo tracks and they're all just absolutely terrible. Completely lacklustre and not in the least bit confident. His most viewed/popular video is this one: It doesn't scream "he's our new high-harmony singer" to me. He's also playing a guitar but I can't hear one on the song. I have to admit, I've enjoyed seeing the current line up, I still think they're great. So long as they have Bobby and Tony, fine. My biggest bug-bear for the Hollies' legacy is the likes of Peter Howarth and Steve Lauri doing breakaway solo shows using the Hollies' name to bolster their billing. This 'Frontm3n' rubbish really grates on me as NONE of them are the actual frontmen of any of the bands who's songs they play all night. None of them played on the original records that made all these songs famous. I just feel like that's conning the public by representing them as the frontmen of three such high profile groups as the Hollies, 10CC and the Sweet. At least Terry Sylvester, as nasty and cantankerous as he obviously is, was an actual member of the original Hollies and played and sang on countless big hits of theirs, so by rights can use their name because that's not false advertising. Back onto the subject of Terry questioning the Hollies' legacy, the Hollies' legacy has never been massively upheld or exploited. I hope with Bobby's book on the way and an archival project in the pipeline, that will be changing hopefully.
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Post by baz on Mar 16, 2020 18:47:04 GMT
I have to admit, I've enjoyed seeing the current line up, I still think they're great. So long as they have Bobby and Tony, fine. My biggest bug-bear for the Hollies' legacy is the likes of Peter Howarth and Steve Lauri doing breakaway solo shows using the Hollies' name to bolster their billing. This 'Frontm3n' rubbish really grates on me as NONE of them are the actual frontmen of any of the bands who's songs they play all night. None of them played on the original records that made all these songs famous. I just feel like that's conning the public by representing them as the frontmen of three such high profile groups as the Hollies, 10CC and the Sweet. At least Terry Sylvester, as nasty and cantankerous as he obviously is, was an actual member of the original Hollies and played and sang on countless big hits of theirs, so by rights can use their name because that's not false advertising. Back onto the subject of Terry questioning the Hollies' legacy, the Hollies' legacy has never been massively upheld or exploited. I hope with Bobby's book on the way and an archival project in the pipeline, that will be changing hopefully. Yes... kinda curious the way Terry keeps taking pot-shots at The Hollies' current line up as I can't ever recall seeing him doing likewise to the Swinging Blue Jeans who from 2010 onwards has comprised of members who weren't even in the band until the 1980's and sneakily claimed rights to the name behind the back of leader Ray Ennis forcing Ennis to take legal action which he LOST and he had to pay THEM damages. I do wonder if Terry even knows about that saga since if he did and felt as strongly about the SBJ's as he does The Hollies then he'd be justified in letting rip. I too find this "Frontm3n" thing rather offensive and if they were playing for free in my town, I sure wouldn't see them nor the Swinging Blue Jeans. I can't see the Hollies' legacy changing very much in the wake of Bobby's book and Ron's forthcoming archival project. They'll be well received and cherished by those of us who have been fans for a long time but new converts are unlikely. We only have to look at 1988, 1993 and 2010 for notable missed opportunities to capitalise and gain new followers, each time falling flat on their faces with a sense of indifference and apathy. Allan's retirement in 1999 was barely news as was Carl Wayne's arrival and it was only because I am a fan always seeking information that I even knew about all that whereas fans not quite in the loop might had been very surprised to see Carl fronting the band. They're clearly content to be at the level they're at where any new converts will be a bonus but they hardly do anything to chase or seek them so that's unlikely to change.
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Post by gee on Mar 16, 2020 18:52:32 GMT
I have no idea how they got to recruit Steve Lauri - tho' it was apparently a very fast recruitment made just one week after Peter Howarth if onstage banter can be believed
- I heard that Alan Coates and his partner Kim Goody obtained a lucrative TV music deal...they do the theme tune to the young children's TV cartoon show 'Roary The Racing Car' and I am sure they did a kids BBC Radio show theme I recall being on before 'Hancock's Half Hour' early mornings some years back for BBC Radio
that meant they needed to devote ALL time to doing that work and with Tony and Bobby's blessing and thanks 'Coatsey' departed after being in that first publicity band photo with Peter Howarth so clearly Alan Coates exit came out of the blue without any 'issues' at all just a golden job oppertunity
hence they quickly got in Steve Lauri who can play guitar and sing o.k. but for me he's not a standout high harmony vocalist SO important to a harmony band such as The Hollies
re Terry - I sometimes wonder IF it's the same guy at all !
The Terry Sylvester I knew was SO STYLISH, always looked great had a SHARP Hairstyle, was a terrific 'Hollies Ambassador' in radio interviews saying things such as;
'the great thing about The Hollies is we have so much material we can do, besides our current songs and stretching right back into Graham's era, hits, other numbers we could play onstage for TEN hours...!'
I recall hearing a younger PRO Hollies Terry saying that on a radio interview in the mid seventies, he was so up for pushing HIS group with great pride....
he had a great sense of stage humour and a wonderful high harmony voice plus a capable balladeer lead voice too
now we get this bigoted old guy who dresses terribly, looks a shambles with a dodgy haircut that does him no favors and seems to be permanently weighed down by a mega large chip on his shoulder with a very 'forgettable' voice ...it's pathetic, it's so damm SAD !
yet on his twitter he blasts the current line up...then speaks glowingly of Hicks and Elliott as both being great guys and great musicians !
he says he never slags off Tony and Bobby - which seems strange as Tony being their overall group manager was the one who more or less bluntly 'advised' Terry to either shut up ...or you know where the door is'
while Hicks and Elliott sided with Clarke to oust personal manager Robin Britten in early 1981 - outvoting Sylvester and Calvert
so why Sylvester would exempt Tony or Bobby from any online rant blastings - while Nash was never even in the group with Terry yet he gets it presumably due to his fame - seems odd
I do suspect, and obviously it is very unlikely to happen, that should Tony and Bobby ever invite Terry to join them....Terry would be there like a shot !!!
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Post by moorlock2003 on Mar 16, 2020 19:58:51 GMT
I don't know which one is the more cantankerous old fart - Terry Sylvester or Moorlock2003 It is indeed sad that people who claim they are Hollies fans don't even respect the opinions of Allan Clarke and Terry Sylvester, true talents of The Hollies' legacy, regarding that joke of a band calling itself "The Hollies" now. Will the administrator of this board send a private message to this Cameron dude regarding name calling, like I received? Or is that only reserved for non-UK fans?
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Post by baz on Mar 16, 2020 20:21:42 GMT
re Terry - I sometimes wonder IF it's the same guy at all ! The Terry Sylvester I knew was SO STYLISH, always looked great had a SHARP Hairstyle...now we get this bigoted old guy who dresses terribly, looks a shambles with a dodgy haircut that does him no favors and seems to be permanently weighed down by a mega large chip on his shoulder with a very 'forgettable' voice ...it's pathetic, it's so damm SAD ! yet on his twitter he blasts the current line up...then speaks glowingly of Hicks and Elliott as both being great guys and great musicians ! Terry is clearly rather bitter and resentful as his continual rantings say far more about HIS situation than it does about his opinions on others. He raves on about his mates Denny Laine and Joey Molland and yeah... they're doing just as great as Terry aren't they? Denny burnt his bridges with McCartney many years ago and squanders his talent on low grade shows and conventions... Molland is much hated by Badfinger fans and family and like Denny and Terry, a regular on the has-been circuit. Sure, Terry can brag he's happy and making money from his cameo spots in the shows he does but is he REALLY happy churning out the same handful of old numbers every time? Back in Hollies days, here was a dynamic force of nature keen to assert himself as a songwriting talent and had his Griffin-Sylvester duo as well whereas now all he can do is a handful of Hollies numbers, a band he keeps attacking. Said it many times, but his never ending attacks on Graham Nash are offensive because had Graham not left The Hollies, Terry would never had gotten that gig and wouldn't even be remembered today. Graham remains successful, able to tour and play what he likes, when he likes. His attacks on Allan... pure jealousy. Allan is and always will be for most, THE singer of the Hollies who unlike Terry has maintained a sense of dignity since he retired from the band. I suspect his recent comeback has irritated Terry as that's been getting acclaim and attention whereas if Terry was to ever conjure up a new album of new songs, barely anyone would care. As for the current Hollies... they're still touring, still going down well, able to play two hour shows etc... a darn sight more than Terry can do. And hey, if people seeing the current band buys compilations with tracks featuring Terry, that's a few extra bits of royalties for Terry. Terry keeps on biting the hands that have fed him very well for the last 51 years. Sure, he would have gripes and opinions but the way he refuses to let go and move on suggests to me not only has he got far too much time on his hands but it's also his way of combatting the fact HIS situation and career is nothing to be proud about, so lets keep biting at those doing better than he is. I HATE saying/writing things like this about Terry as I still cherish and value what he brought to The Hollies and in his prime, a wonderful talent. It's so sad and depressing watching what's happened. His lack of class and respect is appalling. Sure, nothing wrong admitting he doesn't like the current line up but he is taking the mick blasting them when his own situation is nothing to be gloating about as his talents go to waste.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 21:10:11 GMT
I don't know which one is the more cantankerous old fart - Terry Sylvester or Moorlock2003 Two bitter old men with too much time on their hands. Best to ignore them.
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Post by cameron on Mar 16, 2020 21:12:36 GMT
so why Sylvester would exempt Tony or Bobby from any online rant blastings - while Nash was never even in the group with Terry yet he gets it presumably due to his fame - seems odd "Don't bite the hands that feeds you" - Tony and Bobby ARE 'Hollies Ltd' now, though I think Allan has a share in it still, it's smaller than the other two after Graham Nash sold his share in the company some years ago. Tony and Bobby are Terry's golden ticket to a happy retirement, thanks to some of the contracts that Robin Britten would have drafted up originally. Although I expect cutting Robin out of it earned Clarke, Hicks and Elliott a bit more money, I expect it was largely down to the stagnant feeling in the Hollies' camp at the time after more or less five years out of the spotlight with new material that was behind their original decision to get rid of him. Who knows, maybe Bobby will elaborate more on that in his book... Then again, Tony was no stranger to looking after himself first, remember when he joined the band and demanded a wage that was nearly four times the rest of them? I expect that even Terry is careful to not target Tony and Bobby for that reason and that reason alone. Though he seems to have no issue tearing down the current line up, which obviously targets Tony and Bobby. The ONLY ex-Hollie that he has anything nice to say about is Bernie Calvert. Though Bernie is such a nice quiet guy, that I think the worst person in the world would have a hard time saying anything mean about him.
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Post by cameron on Mar 16, 2020 21:15:37 GMT
I HATE saying/writing things like this about Terry as I still cherish and value what he brought to The Hollies and in his prime, a wonderful talent. It's so sad and depressing watching what's happened. His lack of class and respect is appalling. Sure, nothing wrong admitting he doesn't like the current line up but he is taking the mick blasting them when his own situation is nothing to be gloating about as his talents go to waste. I completely agree, you've hit the nail on the head Baz. It's absolutely devastating that two out of three core Hollies line ups have ALL members surviving, and they ALL still make music. Well, not sure about Bernie, but playing the bass isn't like having to contend with an ageing voice. It's such a crime that they can't just bash their heads together and have just a photoshoot reunion or something to celebrate. It's such a unique situation for a major 1960s and 1970s group, why can't they exploit that?
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Post by dirtyfaz on Mar 16, 2020 22:13:18 GMT
"I don't know which one is the more cantankerous old fart - Terry Sylvester or Moorlock2003"
Not called for by you Cameron and Peterc. Moorlock2003got pulled up by the administrator of this site for doing exactly what you 2 guys have done.
I do hope that the admin gives you 2 guys the same as he got.
I would consider myself old but to be referred to as an old fart is offensive and I am not a sensitive petal either.
Sure Moorlock gets under the skin of folks here but if it is not ok for him to be offensive then it certainly isn't ok for others here either.
The sad thing about this Terry/Twitter topic is that it is full of negativity.
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Post by cameron on Mar 17, 2020 0:20:08 GMT
Moorlock2003 got pulled up by the administrator because he only comes here to post negative things about the Hollies in general and just about every thread he's ever made is negative. I've regularly taken him to task because I think his conduct is wrong. Unless it's about the Rickfors Years, he doesn't want to know. We don't need that kind of negativity. I'm absolutely sick of seeing that he's made a comment and it's never anything constructive or even pleasant. It's just uncalled for. Everyone else on this forum manages to express their varied opinions with a degree of logic and explanation. When everyone else here can play ball and be civil, why can't he? Even you've just explained yourself with a valid point and you've remained pleasant about it. I don't agree with it, but I'm now calmly explaining my thoughts.
Why should you take offence to me referring to someone as an 'old fart' when it certainly was not aimed at you? It's just an expression we use all the time in Britain to describe someone who's bitter and set in their ways. Please don't think that I view all older people in that manner.
I've left the Steve Hoffman forum because of people with the exact conduct and demeanour of Moorlock2003, and it would be a shame if this forum went the same way. I cannot stand people peddling arguments without anything to back it up and just generally being rude when we're all supposed to be on these forums for some civil discussion. I apologise if my comment crossed that line from being 'civil', but I'm just fed up now of Moorlock2003 only coming on this forum to incite some kind of argument, and it doesn't appear that you can block certain members on a forum like this.
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