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Post by baz on Aug 29, 2023 21:23:25 GMT
Question for Peter as a TV collector... aside from the complete Don't Get Sunburnt is there anything else of particular interest still out there? Did I imagine it or was a pre split clip of LCW or Long Dark Road with Allan found somewhere? I can't think of anything else off-hand that is known to survive, but of course there are probable surprises out there somewhere. That 1968 Croatian footage came completely out of the blue! The Croatian footage was truly unexpected as how often do we see ANY vintage footage from there? I think there will be some random one off TV performances that will turn up. A few years ago a batch of home video recordings featuring a host of lost 1972 TOTP material surfaced and ended up in the hands of Kaleidoscope and it was hinted that they contained the performance of "The Baby". Some clips have surfaced from that batch but no sign of The Hollies meaning it is likely the footage was unplayable, unrecoverable or simply not there at all.
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Post by cameron on Aug 31, 2023 9:00:19 GMT
For me, the "holy grails" are of course 'Don't Get Sunburnt', which has been egged on further by the clip that's appeared on YouTube. Is there a better concert recording of the Hollies?! They're on fire that evening!
The 1966 ABC footage of the Hollies on their American tour with Hermans Hermits would be amazing to find. 'Bus Stop' and 'The Times They Are A Changin' turned up in the 1967 documentary 'Inside The Rock Revolution'. It would be the earliest known Hollies concert footage in colour and if the full set was recorded (which has always been hinted at), then it would be the earliest recorded live show, as I think it predates Stockholm 1966?
In 1969 they filmed an artsy hour long promo special in Sweden for 'Hollies Sing Hollies', which was detailed in Malc's book. This hasn't turned up anywhere yet and little details are known other than what songs were mimed to. Apparently they spent a few days recording it all and it was said to be a bit of a departure for the band.
Nothing has turned up from their Japan visit in 1968, which is surprising. Apparently they were on quite a few TV shows and being Japan, it would have all been in colour. A look at what diary entries are available reveals that there's various TV appearances on both music shows and also a couple of quiz shows. Allan and Graham alluded to a show that involved a misbehaving donkey, but didn't elaborate! I would presume that some of their live shows there may have been recorded too, since every other British act that played there seems to have some footage from Japan in the 1960s.
Speaking of the 1968 Yugoslavian concert being a surprise find (the 1968 NME article that details the evening doesn't mention that there were film cameras there!), the 1975 Swiss TV appearance that appeared on YouTube a few years ago also appears to be a surprise find? I don't recall ever reading anything about a live concert show being recorded there, so it was a surprise to me anyway when it turned up.
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Post by baz on Aug 31, 2023 10:42:51 GMT
Nothing has turned up from their Japan visit in 1968, which is surprising. Apparently they were on quite a few TV shows and being Japan, it would have all been in colour. A look at what diary entries are available reveals that there's various TV appearances on both music shows and also a couple of quiz shows. Allan and Graham alluded to a show that involved a misbehaving donkey, but didn't elaborate! I would presume that some of their live shows there may have been recorded too, since every other British act that played there seems to have some footage from Japan in the 1960s. Japan is a curious case which appears to be a bit of black hole where TV and audio archives are concerned as I for one know practically nothing about their practices or what sort of archives they have. The law of statistics and probabilities suggest there could/should be a goldmine of materials there but given how much material has surfaced on YouTube over the last 15 years from all over the world, I've actually seen pitifully little stemming from Japanese TV in the 60's and 70's. It's been very disappointing for me personally as I thought there would have been plenty of material as practically every British or American group that went there would be subjected to doing TV shows, specials and concert recordings. I've read interviews where artistes talked about doing TV shows, seen photos of them doing the shows but... where is the footage? It gets me suspecting one of 2 scenarios - 1, the Japanese keep an iron grip on their archives or 2, they archived similarly and just as well as the BBC and most of it is gone. One of The Monkees' last live performances in 1968 was televised live in colour... we have the off-air audio of it but the footage no longer exists according to Andrew Sandoval and given his exhaustive documenting of The Monkees, he would have tried every avenue to find that footage. They were renowned, notorious perhaps, for their habit of recording live shows for albums and there are odd such albums that have appeared but one also suspects there's a heck of a lot that hasn't surfaced. I like to think there's some vaults there containing raw live multitracks of vintage live shows but again, they either keep an iron grip on that stuff or it no longer exists since one would have thought the Japanese would have explored and exploited such tapes in the CD and digital age but again, not very much has ever surfaced. I too feel sure they'd have taped a Hollies show or two but there's never been any word from anyone of that ever happening and nothing has surfaced save for odd audience recordings. As for the Swedish special from 1969, I can imagine that being similar to the German TV special the Bee Gees did for their "Idea" album! Would be intriguing to see should that ever surface.
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Post by peterc on Aug 31, 2023 11:06:51 GMT
Speaking of the 1968 Yugoslavian concert being a surprise find (the 1968 NME article that details the evening doesn't mention that there were film cameras there!), the 1975 Swiss TV appearance that appeared on YouTube a few years ago also appears to be a surprise find? I don't recall ever reading anything about a live concert show being recorded there, so it was a surprise to me anyway when it turned up. I actually first got that (in ropey quality) on VHS circa 1987, along with the other TV special from around the same time. Another one which would be good to see is this: 04-03-71 – ‘Jam’ (Holland): Survival Of The Fittest / Little Girl / Confessions Of A Mind / Lady Please / Too Young To Be Married / He Ain’t Heavy, He’s My Brother Chances are it no longer survives though - if it did, the Dutch guy who runs 192TV would no doubt have got hold of it.
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Post by peterc on Aug 31, 2023 11:13:09 GMT
Nothing has turned up from their Japan visit in 1968, which is surprising. Apparently they were on quite a few TV shows and being Japan, it would have all been in colour. A look at what diary entries are available reveals that there's various TV appearances on both music shows and also a couple of quiz shows. Allan and Graham alluded to a show that involved a misbehaving donkey, but didn't elaborate! I would presume that some of their live shows there may have been recorded too, since every other British act that played there seems to have some footage from Japan in the 1960s. Japan is a curious case which appears to be a bit of black hole where TV and audio archives are concerned as I for one know practically nothing about their practices or what sort of archives they have. The law of statistics and probabilities suggest there could/should be a goldmine of materials there but given how much material has surfaced on YouTube over the last 15 years from all over the world, I've actually seen pitifully little stemming from Japanese TV in the 60's and 70's. It's been very disappointing for me personally as I thought there would have been plenty of material as practically every British or American group that went there would be subjected to doing TV shows, specials and concert recordings. I've read interviews where artistes talked about doing TV shows, seen photos of them doing the shows but... where is the footage? It gets me suspecting one of 2 scenarios - 1, the Japanese keep an iron grip on their archives or 2, they archived similarly and just as well as the BBC and most of it is gone. I suspect there is much more in oriental countries that hasn't surfaced. For example, only a couple of songs have appeared on video of Cliff Richard in Korea in 1969, yet he taped a whole live double album:
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Post by herriot on Aug 31, 2023 17:31:29 GMT
Other that the Beatles, Hollies, Monkees and Cliff, what 60s era Western acts are known to have toured Japan?
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Post by peterc on Aug 31, 2023 17:57:09 GMT
Other that the Beatles, Hollies, Monkees and Cliff, what 60s era Western acts are known to have toured Japan? The Ventures: The Shadows:
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Post by baz on Aug 31, 2023 18:40:16 GMT
The Honeycombs
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Post by Stranger on Aug 31, 2023 18:54:56 GMT
There were clips of Lady Please and Gasoline Alley Bred from German TV on YouTube a few years ago but they didn't stay up long.
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Post by peterc on Aug 31, 2023 19:04:00 GMT
There were clips of Lady Please and Gasoline Alley Bred from German TV on YouTube a few years ago but they didn't stay up long. Presumably from ‘Julie Felix’ (26-04-70) and 'The Rolf Harris Show' (05-03-71)?
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Post by Malc on Aug 31, 2023 19:11:04 GMT
Other that the Beatles, Hollies, Monkees and Cliff, what 60s era Western acts are known to have toured Japan? The Beach Boys in ‘66, as highlighted in the photos that adorned the rear of the Pet Sounds album and in the selection that resides in my bootleg collection… www.discogs.com/release/9895592-The-Beach-Boys-Live-In-Japan-66
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Post by Stranger on Aug 31, 2023 19:36:56 GMT
There were clips of Lady Please and Gasoline Alley Bred from German TV on YouTube a few years ago but they didn't stay up long. Presumably from ‘Julie Felix’ (26-04-70) and 'The Rolf Harris Show' (05-03-71)? Definitely not the Julie Felix show, different clips. Unless it was a clip shipped to Germany from the Rolf Harris show but I didn't think so.
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Post by peterc on Aug 31, 2023 19:42:08 GMT
'The Rolf Harris Show' was broadcast in Germany with different edits/takes to the UK (certainly that's the case with Dusty Springfield's appearance).
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Post by gee on Aug 31, 2023 21:43:01 GMT
The Shadows did a couple of Japanese jaunts - in 1967 they did an EP of tracks recorded in Japan with the Marvin-Welch- Bennett-Rostill line up
that 1969 Live at Sankei Hall album, which was also issued in Europe by EMI Columbia Germany featured the lesser known Marvin-Bennett-Rostill-Hawkshaw line up of 1968-70
Alan Hawkshaw formerly of Emile Ford's group The Checkmates played organ/piano and besides this live album he also featured on their studio album 'Shades of Rock' (1970) and their rare 1968 single 'Slaughter on Tenth Avenue'
Alan Hawkshaw, probably the least known Shadows member was the guest keyboardist on The Hollies track 'Put Yourself in My Place' (1965) and later played keyboards for Marvin Welch & Farrar besides played piano on The Shadows later version of 'Bridge Over Troubled Water' in 1979 and has done a solo instrumental album and alot of TV show music and themes
'Live at Sankei Hall' was released against The Shadows wishes...later it got a UK release paired with 'Live in Paris 1975' as 'The Shadows Live' on the EMI budget label Music For Pleasure
'Live at Sankei Hall' is notable as bass player the late John Rostill acts as group spokesman in the absence of Bruce Welch
Shadows members Hank Marvin, John Farrar, Brian Bennett and Alan Hawkshaw back Cliff Richard on his live in Japan album tho' not credited as The Shadows - with Olivia Newton John and Pat Carrol (later Pat Farrar) as the two female backing vocalists
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Post by baz on Aug 31, 2023 22:19:19 GMT
'Live at Sankei Hall' was released against The Shadows wishes...later it got a UK release paired with 'Live in Paris 1975' as 'The Shadows Live' on the EMI budget label Music For Pleasure 'Live at Sankei Hall' is notable as bass player the late John Rostill acts as group spokesman in the absence of Bruce Welch That 1969 live album is one rare instance where I agree with the artistes... it's an interesting curiosity capturing a weird moment in their history but the mix is appalling with Hank's guitar shoved away to one side when it should have been up and front in the centre. Hank made no secret of the fact they did that tour purely for the cash.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Sept 1, 2023 8:30:37 GMT
I wish the Hollies appearance on Morecambe and Wise in 1967 would show up. Considering the Beatles' appearance is all over social media.
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Post by cameron on Sept 1, 2023 12:19:13 GMT
The Walker Brothers did a one-off tour in Japan in 1968 and they were absolutely huge there. Their performance at Osaka Festival Hall in January 1968 was recorded and released as a lavish two LP set with booklet in 1968 on Philips records but only in Japan. It wouldn't be released in the UK until 1987, and I think it was edited down to one LP. The Walker Brothers were pretty much over with by that point in early 1968, Scott Walker had become a successful solo star, so I believe those Japanese concerts were their last in the 1960s. It's a bit of a strange recording, it sounds very thin as they've got a small orchestra with them and most of the setlist is more in line with their earliest recordings rather than the big lavishly orchestrated ballads that they'd become famous for.
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Post by baz on Sept 1, 2023 20:11:45 GMT
The Walker Brothers did a one-off tour in Japan in 1968 and they were absolutely huge there. Their performance at Osaka Festival Hall in January 1968 was recorded and released as a lavish two LP set with booklet in 1968 on Philips records but only in Japan. It wouldn't be released in the UK until 1987, and I think it was edited down to one LP. The Walker Brothers were pretty much over with by that point in early 1968, Scott Walker had become a successful solo star, so I believe those Japanese concerts were their last in the 1960s. It's a bit of a strange recording, it sounds very thin as they've got a small orchestra with them and most of the setlist is more in line with their earliest recordings rather than the big lavishly orchestrated ballads that they'd become famous for. I'd forgotten about this one which is kinda shameful being a Scott Walker nut! Another strange case as like The Shadows, the Walkers had split up a few months earlier and it still kinda surprises me that Scott agreed to the tour. Another deal where the money was too good to turn down and they found it a strange experience as did most acts performing in Japan as they were able to hear themselves during the songs for as usual, the audiences would be reverentially quiet bursting into applause when the songs ended whereas in the UK, they were subjected to constant screamfests!
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Post by gee on Sept 2, 2023 21:57:11 GMT
That 1975 Hollies Switzerland TV concert
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Post by gee on Sept 2, 2023 22:15:05 GMT
TERRIBLE picture Quality (!!) - but here is Lady Please from a TV performance (Julie Felix I believe tho' you can't see her clearly...)
anyone found a 'watchable' copy ??
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Post by baz on Sept 2, 2023 22:49:58 GMT
TERRIBLE picture Quality (!!) - but here is Lady Please from a TV performance (Julie Felix I believe tho' you can't see her clearly...) anyone found a 'watchable' copy ?? Ah. This one. This was discussed many years ago in the Missing Episodes forum and sadly, the videotape the BBC has is seriously damaged. Jimmy Page did his curious one off solo appearance in the same edition and when you see that, it suffers from the same damage. So, technically, this is untransmittable. Maybe some serious digital restoration might be able to fix it up but till then, this is the only way we're ever gonna see it unless a b+w telecording ever turns up which I'd guess is now unlikely.
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Post by herriot on Sept 7, 2023 9:06:59 GMT
Updated cover art:
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Post by anthony on Sept 7, 2023 11:14:36 GMT
Just placed my order, should be good,
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Post by Sharon 22 on Sept 8, 2023 23:26:36 GMT
I pretty much gave up hope on this when I caught word of its release today. Just reserved my copy. So looking forward to this! Will make a great companion piece to their BBC and Croatian concert vids.
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Post by thejanitor on Sept 11, 2023 2:29:46 GMT
In 1969 they filmed an artsy hour long promo special in Sweden for 'Hollies Sing Hollies', which was detailed in Malc's book. This hasn't turned up anywhere yet and little details are known other than what songs were mimed to. Apparently they spent a few days recording it all and it was said to be a bit of a departure for the band. I wonder whether this clip (which peterc previously confirmed as being from the Swedish programme Popside) is a part of that project? I still remember it stirred up quite the reaction when I first shared it on here a few years back! 😆 Also on the Japan discussion, Scott Walker returned there solo in 1970. A great rare TV clip: There is also a decent quality recording up in parts from the first show of that tour if you haven't heard it already.
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