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Post by stuball on Aug 24, 2020 23:48:45 GMT
When I think of Terry over the past decade, I can't help but shudder at how far his stock must has fallen of late. Cast your mind back to the RRHOF fiasco. If I recollect correctly, fans here were pretty well split over whether Terry's 'performance' was justified or not, and the Terry backers might have even had a slight edge in that skirmish. Even our almost blanket hatred for the 'Attack of the Terry Trolls' on this site a while back, did little to damage Sylvester's own popularity.
But all that has changed over the past couple of years. And it's all down to Terry's Twitter outbursts. While he seemed always to me to be a pleasant and hardworking young man, whose talent was finally rewarded when he joined The Hollies, his anger and bitterness nowadays has turned him into a nasty piece of work (at least to anyone who dares to question him). If you're not a complete sycophant of his, you're history!
Longtime Hollies fans were always split over The Hollies post Nash. If you were big on Graham, The Hollies without him were just another pop group, good for a catchy single now and again, but nothing to get excited about. But for a significant proportion of Holliedom, the group was better for the change, and they stayed fiercely loyal to the band. And by extension, their backing of Terry and his work since leaving the group.
All that has changed now. I doubt if on this site today Terry could muster much more than 20% support after his current antics, and that number may be overly generous. But one thing is certain: this time, he has no one to blame but himself...and Twitter.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Aug 25, 2020 0:10:13 GMT
I don't get it. I saw that same R&RHoF induction ceremony has everyone else and all I could thing was, "Why are you drunk and embarrassing yourself?" But then I have my own pro-Clarke bias so...*shrug*
Maybe I prefer the Nash era, but I always thought the Sylvester era was more than just a couple of good hits!
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Post by gee on Aug 25, 2020 9:26:11 GMT
Not all long time Hollies fans are divided over Nash or Sylvester - plenty of us rate both VERY highly indeed
I loved both the Clarke-Hicks-Nash and Clarke-Hicks-Sylvester teams equally for their tight harmonised sound and for me the sixties and seventies Clarke Hollies featuring Nash/Sylvester were THE Hollies, the 'Classic' Hollies who provided almost all the hits and many excellent albums with two eras of self composed albums along with other great albums too
I also really rate the short lived but great 'Rickfors Hollies' too - and the underrated Clarke-Hicks-Coates version, the Carl Wayne and Peter Howarth Hollies too
but it's the Clarke fronted Hollies of Nash/Sylvester whom I rate as the 'Classic' Hollies most associated with the band name
Nash was vital to the sixties, Sylvester was perfect for the later era of 1969-81 and each gave the group a solo balladeer within the band and a fine 'counter' voice to Allan Clarke's magnificent voice
for earlier sixties years Terry Sylvester was the friend of the band, a second generation Merseybeat figure of some standing with Escorts / Swinging Blue Jeans who was the very obvious guy to take over from Graham in 1969 - even tho' up to then Terry had been a co-lead vocalist not a high harmony singer in each of his groups - but he proved a revelation doing the 'Nash job' for the Hollies
also Terry's very clear sheer enthusiasm to 'be a Hollie' was so clear and important finally getting his late chance to shine in a regular chart hit making band at the end of the sixties coming into his own in the early seventies
Terry was a fine figurehead member of the band, his developing as a songwriter was important for Allan Clarke too as 'taking Terry under his wing' in the Clarke-Sylvester songwriting team was as vital for Allan's confidence and leadership re his fronting the band as it was for young Terry as a composer - Terry's sheer enjoyment gave the band a much needed 'shot in the arm' to get over losing Graham from their ranks
as Allan said in that LTAW DVD; 'hey were o.k. lets do some more recording...'
Terry's pathos tinged more emotive high harmony voice was a subtle alteration in place of Graham's dynamic or haunting voice which together with the established Clarke-Hicks vocal sound kept them firmly 'The Hollies' yet so suited the wordier songs on the Dylan album then 'He Ain't Heavy', 'Can't Tell The Bottom...', 'Gasoline Alley Bred' etc
Terry was a prominent figurehead of The Rickfors Hollies gaining evermore confidence and proved a fine ambassador for the band in interviews etc
Terry was SO important along with Allan and Tony's guitar on 'The Air That I Breathe'
sad that things behind the scenes were not always so good, and over time things got worse which saw Terry grow more and more frustrated - some of it re the music was a case of history repeating itself as Terry followed Graham re being unhappy over musical direction (Allan would too) which led to all three exiting the band, but that was only a part of Terry's problems
Even after twelve years of loyal service to the band Terry appears to have been still seen as 'the new boy' and 'the hired help' by some 'senior' Hollies and possibly by some in their set up (not Robin Britten but maybe by others)
whatever Bobby's recent book referring to;'the trap was sprung and Sylvester was gone...' - which must have really hurt and infuriated Terry now - displays a rather blunt attitude towards Sylvester and scant gratitude for his service plus his helping ensure there had been 'life after Nash' for the band in 1969
That being said Terry's luck went downhill badly, losing American friend and collaborator Jimmy Griffin who was such a vital USA figure for Terry's own career plus a good friend together with seeing Graham Nash, the current Hollies, and most recently and surprisingly a fine sounding Allan Clarke all still working well in their musical careers...
while he's umpteenth on a nostalgia package bill singing old Hollies and others songs and trying to hold onto Allan's song 'Long Cool Woman' (a recording he was not even on back in 1971) as somehow being 'HIS' song, charging for interviews and it seems by his own admission 'drinking like a fish' all has seen Terry just become a ghastly parody of his once smart pin up looking younger self...just an absurdly dressed rapidly ageing figure (drink takes a heavy toll on looks) unable to create any new music and just retreating to the internet creating ever more spiteful 'blasts' at not just his past Hollie friends and bandmates but other music figures too
swiping at Sir Elton John and Sir Paul McCartney is not a wise move is it...? - and reeks of jealousy
Terry could and should be SUCH an important Hollies figure in fandom re his proud past with the group plus his Merseybeat background and his solo career also his Griffin & Sylvester duo - instead he's now largely dismissed as just a sad bitter old man full of bile and nasty swipes at those who gave him his career defining big break, alienating so many Hollies fans with his unpleasant attitude
I wonder what the 1969 younger mega smart Terry Sylvester (so delighted to be the 'new Hollie' and out to give his best to the band) would make of the 2020 older embittered isolated sad looking terribly dressed figure forever firing off unkind internet insults and reliant on drink and sycophantic supporters....?
'public acclaim not the same such a shame...'
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Post by sandy on Aug 25, 2020 10:50:56 GMT
Not all long time Hollies fans are divided over Nash or Sylvester - plenty of us rate both VERY highly indeed I loved both the Clarke-Hicks-Nash and Clarke-Hicks-Sylvester teams equally for their tight harmonised sound and for me the sixties and seventies Clarke Hollies featuring Nash/Sylvester were THE Hollies, the 'Classic' Hollies who provided almost all the hits and many excellent albums with two eras of self composed albums along with other great albums too I also really rate the short lived but great 'Rickfors Hollies' too - and the underrated Clarke-Hicks-Coates version, the Carl Wayne and Peter Howarth Hollies too but it's the Clarke fronted Hollies of Nash/Sylvester whom I rate as the 'Classic' Hollies most associated with the band name Nash was vital to the sixties, Sylvester was perfect for the later era of 1969-81 and each gave the group a solo balladeer within the band and a fine 'counter' voice to Allan Clarke's magnificent voice for earlier sixties years Terry Sylvester was the friend of the band, a second generation Merseybeat figure of some standing with Escorts / Swinging Blue Jeans who was the very obvious guy to take over from Graham in 1969 - even tho' up to then Terry had been a co-lead vocalist not a high harmony singer in each of his groups - but he proved a revelation doing the 'Nash job' for the Hollies also Terry's very clear sheer enthusiasm to 'be a Hollie' was so clear and important finally getting his late chance to shine in a regular chart hit making band at the end of the sixties coming into his own in the early seventies Terry was a fine figurehead member of the band, his developing as a songwriter was important for Allan Clarke too as 'taking Terry under his wing' in the Clarke-Sylvester songwriting team was as vital for Allan's confidence and leadership re his fronting the band as it was for young Terry as a composer - Terry's sheer enjoyment gave the band a much needed 'shot in the arm' to get over losing Graham from their ranks as Allan said in that LTAW DVD; 'hey were o.k. lets do some more recording...' Terry's pathos tinged more emotive high harmony voice was a subtle alteration in place of Graham's dynamic or haunting voice which together with the established Clarke-Hicks vocal sound kept them firmly 'The Hollies' yet so suited the wordier songs on the Dylan album then 'He Ain't Heavy', 'Can't Tell The Bottom...', 'Gasoline Alley Bred' etc Terry was a prominent figurehead of The Rickfors Hollies gaining evermore confidence and proved a fine ambassador for the band in interviews etc Terry was SO important along with Allan and Tony's guitar on 'The Air That I Breathe' sad that things behind the scenes were not always so good, and over time things got worse which saw Terry grow more and more frustrated - some of it re the music was a case of history repeating itself as Terry followed Graham re being unhappy over musical direction (Allan would too) which led to all three exiting the band, but that was only a part of Terry's problems Even after twelve years of loyal service to the band Terry appears to have been still seen as 'the new boy' and 'the hired help' by some 'senior' Hollies and possibly by some in their set up (not Robin Britten but maybe by others) whatever Bobby's recent book referring to;'the tap was sprung and Sylvester was gone...' - which must have really hurt and infuriated Terry now - displays a rather blunt attitude towards Sylvester and scant gratitude for his service plus his helping ensure there had been 'life after Nash' for the band in 1969 That being said Terry's luck went downhill badly, losing American friend and collaborator Jimmy Griffin who was such a vital USA figure for Terry's own career plus a good friend together with seeing Graham Nash, the current Hollies, and most recently and surprisingly a fine sounding Allan Clarke all still working well in their musical careers... while he's umpteenth on a nostalgia package bill singing old Hollies and others songs and trying to hold onto Allan's song 'Long Cool Woman' (a recording he was not even on back in 1971) as somehow being 'HIS' song, charging for interviews and it seems by his own admission 'drinking like a fish' all has seen Terry just become a ghastly parody of his once smart pin up looking younger self...just an absurdly dressed rapidly ageing figure  (drink takes a heavy toll on looks) unable to create any new music and just retreating to the internet creating ever more spiteful 'blasts' at not just his past Hollie friends and bandmates but other music figures too swiping at Sir Elton John and Sir Paul McCartney is not a wise move is it...? - and reeks of jealousy Terry could and should be SUCH an important Hollies figure in fandom re his proud past with the group plus his Merseybeat background and his solo career also his Griffin & Sylvester duo - instead he's now largely dismissed as just a sad bitter old man full of bile and nasty swipes at those who gave him his career defining big break, alienating so many Hollies fans with his unpleasant attitude I wonder what the 1969 younger mega smart Terry Sylvester (so delighted to be the 'new Hollie' and out to give his best to the band) would make of the 2020 older embittered isolated sad looking terribly dressed figure forever firing off unkind internet insults and reliant on drink and sycophantic supporters....? 'public acclaim not the same such a shame...' 👌👌👌 SPOT ON!! PLAIN SAD...
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Post by eric on Aug 25, 2020 12:49:26 GMT
whatever Bobby's recent book referring to;'the tap was sprung and Sylvester was gone...' - which must have really hurt and infuriated Terry now - displays a rather blunt attitude towards Sylvester and scant gratitude for his service plus his helping ensure there had been 'life after Nash' for the band in 1969 Eric: I must admit that I was rather disappointed to read this in the book. No matter what the situation may have been in 1981, Terry did make a significant contribution to the band. On the Australian tours, Terry was a very strong and lively frontman; a key member of the band. I like to remember him this way.
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Post by Stranger on Aug 25, 2020 13:09:43 GMT
It sounds to me, from Bobby's book, that Terry really had it in for Allan for most of the '70s and this was creating a lot of difficulties in the group. I think ultimately Tony decided it was better to have Allan in the group than Terry.
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Post by gee on Aug 25, 2020 14:16:55 GMT
it's a difficult thing to determine fully however Allan had several personal problems that made life awkward at times for his band mates
as time went on Allan's hearing got worse and of course his wife Jeni was unwell - but that came after Terry's departure
Allan did have 'issues' tho' which affected all in the group in the seventies - he often threatened to leave again and actually did in 1978 tho' soon returned
the relationship between Allan and Tony Hicks was never that great and from 1971 was ever more strained notably after Tony rejected Allan's offer to do that USA tour....while Tony as overall band leader and together with Bobby as brothers-in-law or whatever could always outvote Allan as 'senior Hollies' if required (Allan apparently disliked 'A Crazy Steal' etc)
hence Tony's cryptic remark; 'there were alot of things wrong the public never knew...'
then they had a tour in Germany where Allan failed to turn up for some concerts or walked off stage after just a few songs, finally Allan returned home early
they even did a short visit to Canada without Allan but it proved abortive
these factors all built up and increasingly annoyed Terry over time - plus Allan's great idea to do the 'Buddy Holly' album flopped badly further upsetting Terry whose own musical suggestions met the same brick wall Graham Nash had earlier encountered in the later sixties...
finally Allan apparently wanted to stop touring by 1981 (tho' how true that is must be questionable as the eighties/nineties then proved to be the touring decades !) but back in 1981 Clarkey it seems wanted to at least greatly reduce the touring
creatively the Clarke-Hicks-Sylvester team dried up by 1978 just as had done Clarke-Hicks-Nash ten years before....Robin Britten had gone, then Bernie Calvert was sent packing by Bruce Welch two factors that annoyed Terry who must have felt things were indeed slipping away while clearly no one in the band was listening to his ideas re musical direction....
so Terry getting really frustrated and particularly annoyed with Allan (who upset more than one venue manager...and would continue to do so thereafter) in retrospect we can see how this came about
They obviously chose to jettison Terry Sylvester hence 'the trap was sprung' and keep Allan Clarke happy and onboard in 1981
but there were two sides to it just as re Graham Nash's departure in 1968 and Allan Clarke's in 1971
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Post by Stranger on Aug 25, 2020 14:55:20 GMT
All valid points Gee, but I'm beginning to wonder to what extent was Allan's late '70s unhappiness caused by Terry?
Bobby's quote from Tony of "Why do you hate Allan so much?" , seems kind of extreme. So I just wonder if it was all some what circular.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Aug 25, 2020 15:20:42 GMT
It sounds to me, from Bobby's book, that Terry really had it in for Allan for most of the '70s and this was creating a lot of difficulties in the group. I think ultimately Tony decided it was better to have Allan in the group than Terry. I think Robin Britten instigated it, that being said.
Read a book by "super groupie" Pamela Des Barres over the weekend, Let's Spend The Night Together," with a chapter each on the exploits of an individual groupie (Purely for research! That's my story and I'm sticking to it! ). There's a chapter by one named Dee Dee in which she boasts that she was with ALL the Hollies (something something bubblebaths and ice cubes, lol).
However, she goes on to call them a quartet and talks in detail about her affair with "lead singer" Terry Sylvester while they were touring the US. Mentioned it on Twitter, tagging Pamela, asking "since when were they a quartet" and "since when was Terry the lead singer" and she replied that I should check out her podcast interview with Dee Dee.
Which I might...just because I'm curious about how much shite Terry was shovelling even that long ago...Unless somebody here can clarify...Did they keep Rickfors in a box between shows to make sure he didn't escape?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2020 16:09:45 GMT
To be fair on Terry, I just looked at his Twitter feed, and saw this comment in response to a photo of The Dave Clark Fives' Mike Smith: "Nice pic Mikki with the great Mike Smith, very talented man, & a great guy".
A bit nicer than Graham's "We f*ckin’ hated the Dave Clark Five!" comment!
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Post by cameron on Aug 25, 2020 17:17:53 GMT
All valid points Gee, but I'm beginning to wonder to what extent was Allan's late '70s unhappiness caused by Terry? Bobby's quote from Tony of "Why do you hate Allan so much?" , seems kind of extreme. So I just wonder if it was all some what circular. I've long had the vibe that Tony might have been the "problem" all along. As we know, Allan was a bit of a "pushover", for want of a better term, in the early days when Graham was calling the shots, Allan would just back him up. Allan was the only member of the group that made any serious attempt to get into psychedelia with Graham, even getting stoned with the Buffalo Springfield at one point. I think Allan felt somewhat without an oar when Graham left, which manifested in his issue with alcohol, which he's recently spoken about more freely in interviews. Tony seemed to step up to the plate more so than anyone else when Graham left, picking up 'He Ain't Heavy' and I believe 'I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top' and 'Gasoline Alley Bred' were his finds as well. But listening to snippets of audio from their sessions that were on the '30th Anniversary Collection' and the 1997 'At Abbey Road' box, Tony comes across as quite bossy in the studio. Something backed up by the footage of them recording 'Peggy Sue Got Married' with Graham where he's *telling* them what arrangement/style they're going to do. Likewise in interviews, he's very black and white about most things. He's not nostalgic about anything. I recently re-read his 1988 guitar magazine interview and all his iconic guitars were sold off years ago back then! We know that Tony was extremely matter of fact and opinionated right from day one. He wouldn't even join the band unless they matched his apprenticeship wage, which was infinitely more than the rest of them were on. Some of his 1960s magazine interviews are quite scathing too, with very blunt opinions on "lightweight" psychedelia, how he thought the Troggs were one trick ponies and the lack of talent shown by the Monkees! It would be these bold opinions that lead Paul McCartney to seek him out to hear 'Abbey Road' for an HONEST opinion on it before they turned the finished album in to EMI. I think Allan couldn't get past Tony's matter of fact nature in the 1970s. In a way, Tony saved the band, because 'Hollies Sing Dylan' was his idea. He was the most vocal opponent to Graham and the direction of the band in 1967/8 - something that Graham actually had a lot of respect for Tony for. 'HSD' was and I believe still is the best-selling studio album of their career. Again in the Rickfors era, Tony was directing the group and did a good job of it I felt. Of course, he's since said that he regretted not letting Allan do that tour in 1972. Allan's behaviour got worse and worse in the 1970s, though allegedly carried on being quite bad in the 1990s. I guess he was insecure about his ailing voice and it manifested itself in a temper. It seems to me that from day one, Graham and to a lesser extent Allan ran the group. Although technically Eric Haydock was the longest-serving member, he was infamously quiet. Then when Graham left, Tony stepped up to the fore. Finally, when Allan left, it left Tony at the helm, bookended by his brother-in-law Bobby. They never saw Bernie Calvert or Terry Sylvester as their equals, I guess hence the infamous "hired help" comment, which sent Terry packing. But Allan has alluded but not specifically stated that it was really Tony and Bobby's band after he left. They obviously came to some agreement around 1980/81, as I've heard a radio interview with them where they discuss the old "drama" without actually discussing any of it specifically, and Tony and Allan agree that they BOTH were far too egotistical in the 1970s, and it was "all sorted now". At the end of the day, they're just people and they've had to work together intimately for decades. I think any of us would have fights with someone we had to be around for that long and when there's a lot of money at stake, it must make the pressure even worse. There's a tremendous amount of pressure to sustain the nice lives that they've built for themselves privately, so I can see why The Hollies never really fell down the well of being "artistic" and rather often chose to play it safe and be successful. I just wish they'd all draw a line under whatever's gone on and celebrate and enjoy their legacy as one of the best bands of the 1960s and 1970s.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Aug 25, 2020 17:38:54 GMT
All valid points Gee, but I'm beginning to wonder to what extent was Allan's late '70s unhappiness caused by Terry? Bobby's quote from Tony of "Why do you hate Allan so much?" , seems kind of extreme. So I just wonder if it was all some what circular. I've long had the vibe that Tony might have been the "problem" all along. As we know, Allan was a bit of a "pushover", for want of a better term, in the early days when Graham was calling the shots, Allan would just back him up. Allan was the only member of the group that made any serious attempt to get into psychedelia with Graham, even getting stoned with the Buffalo Springfield at one point. I think Allan felt somewhat without an oar when Graham left, which manifested in his issue with alcohol, which he's recently spoken about more freely in interviews. Tony seemed to step up to the plate more so than anyone else when Graham left, picking up 'He Ain't Heavy' and I believe 'I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top' and 'Gasoline Alley Bred' were his finds as well. But listening to snippets of audio from their sessions that were on the '30th Anniversary Collection' and the 1997 'At Abbey Road' box, Tony comes across as quite bossy in the studio. Something backed up by the footage of them recording 'Peggy Sue Got Married' with Graham where he's *telling* them what arrangement/style they're going to do. Likewise in interviews, he's very black and white about most things. He's not nostalgic about anything. I recently re-read his 1988 guitar magazine interview and all his iconic guitars were sold off years ago back then! We know that Tony was extremely matter of fact and opinionated right from day one. He wouldn't even join the band unless they matched his apprenticeship wage, which was infinitely more than the rest of them were on. Some of his 1960s magazine interviews are quite scathing too, with very blunt opinions on "lightweight" psychedelia, how he thought the Troggs were one trick ponies and the lack of talent shown by the Monkees! It would be these bold opinions that lead Paul McCartney to seek him out to hear 'Abbey Road' for an HONEST opinion on it before they turned the finished album in to EMI. I think Allan couldn't get past Tony's matter of fact nature in the 1970s. In a way, Tony saved the band, because 'Hollies Sing Dylan' was his idea. He was the most vocal opponent to Graham and the direction of the band in 1967/8 - something that Graham actually had a lot of respect for Tony for. 'HSD' was and I believe still is the best-selling studio album of their career. Again in the Rickfors era, Tony was directing the group and did a good job of it I felt. Of course, he's since said that he regretted not letting Allan do that tour in 1972. Allan's behaviour got worse and worse in the 1970s, though allegedly carried on being quite bad in the 1990s. I guess he was insecure about his ailing voice and it manifested itself in a temper. It seems to me that from day one, Graham and to a lesser extent Allan ran the group. Although technically Eric Haydock was the longest-serving member, he was infamously quiet. Then when Graham left, Tony stepped up to the fore. Finally, when Allan left, it left Tony at the helm, bookended by his brother-in-law Bobby. They never saw Bernie Calvert or Terry Sylvester as their equals, I guess hence the infamous "hired help" comment, which sent Terry packing. But Allan has alluded but not specifically stated that it was really Tony and Bobby's band after he left. They obviously came to some agreement around 1980/81, as I've heard a radio interview with them where they discuss the old "drama" without actually discussing any of it specifically, and Tony and Allan agree that they BOTH were far too egotistical in the 1970s, and it was "all sorted now". At the end of the day, they're just people and they've had to work together intimately for decades. I think any of us would have fights with someone we had to be around for that long and when there's a lot of money at stake, it must make the pressure even worse. There's a tremendous amount of pressure to sustain the nice lives that they've built for themselves privately, so I can see why The Hollies never really fell down the well of being "artistic" and rather often chose to play it safe and be successful. I just wish they'd all draw a line under whatever's gone on and celebrate and enjoy their legacy as one of the best bands of the 1960s and 1970s. Tony's bluntness about other bands is interesting considering Graham always seems to get flack for his bluntness.
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Post by baz on Aug 25, 2020 22:50:02 GMT
Tony's bluntness about other bands is interesting considering Graham always seems to get flack for his bluntness. Very true. I was shocked years ago when through this forum I saw some cutting from 1971 from when Allan had quit which had Tony quipping that Allan was "just a good singer" but in a tone that he was replaceable and no great loss to The Hollies! A lot of interesting information and debate in this thread which I need to digest though doubt I can offer any better comments or opinions. I will admit that back in 2010 I was mildly defensive of Terry's antics at the HOF as I personally felt it was wrong that LCW was given to some younger "star" who had absolutely nothing to do with The Hollies so felt Terry had a point... I can even excuse him for the LFC garb he wore but sadly, my goodwill and sympathy soon came undone as he kept ranting about it and all these years later the fact he's STILL ranting is downright pathetic. What has Terry actually done since then? More of the same old short spots on oldies shows... I don't think we've had a single new song from him, let alone recordings. The Hollies keep on touring. Graham keeps on recording new music and touring. Allan made a surprising and credible comeback. Terry? Holed up in an apartment in Miami going round and round in circles doing absolutely nothing worthy if anything, growing ever nastier with his attacks and remarks which often border on the libellous.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Aug 25, 2020 23:34:17 GMT
Tony's bluntness about other bands is interesting considering Graham always seems to get flack for his bluntness. Very true. I was shocked years ago when through this forum I saw some cutting from 1971 from when Allan had quit which had Tony quipping that Allan was "just a good singer" but in a tone that he was replaceable and no great loss to The Hollies! A lot of interesting information and debate in this thread which I need to digest though doubt I can offer any better comments or opinions. I will admit that back in 2010 I was mildly defensive of Terry's antics at the HOF as I personally felt it was wrong that LCW was given to some younger "star" who had absolutely nothing to do with The Hollies so felt Terry had a point... I can even excuse him for the LFC garb he wore but sadly, my goodwill and sympathy soon came undone as he kept ranting about it and all these years later the fact he's STILL ranting is downright pathetic. What has Terry actually done since then? More of the same old short spots on oldies shows... I don't think we've had a single new song from him, let alone recordings. The Hollies keep on touring. Graham keeps on recording new music and touring. Allan made a surprising and credible comeback. Terry? Holed up in an apartment in Miami going round and round in circles doing absolutely nothing worthy if anything, growing ever nastier with his attacks and remarks which often border on the libellous. The present lineup even did a Zoom-like lockdown rendition of "Air That I Breathe" recently. As much as I cringe at how it seems to undermine Allan's "He Ain't Heavy" 2020 fundraiser (whether by design, ignorance or apathy), at least they make an effort to perform.
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Post by baz on Aug 25, 2020 23:46:19 GMT
The present lineup even did a Zoom-like lockdown rendition of "Air That I Breathe" recently. As much as I cringe at how it seems to undermine Allan's "He Ain't Heavy" 2020 fundraiser (whether by design, ignorance or apathy), at least they make an effort to perform. Exactly. What's been stopping Terry from whipping out his guitar and treating his millions of fans to a song or two during a ghastly time when we all need cheering up?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 8:26:13 GMT
Seems like he hasn't kept up the payments on his website (unless it's a temporary fault): terrysylvester.com
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Post by cameron on Aug 26, 2020 8:45:21 GMT
Exactly. What's been stopping Terry from whipping out his guitar and treating his millions of fans to a song or two during a ghastly time when we all need cheering up? You mean Terry "I don't need to rehearse, I'm a professional musician" Sylvester? Terry "my voice is perfect because I'm not a druggie" Sylvester? Terry "I don't jam, I play real music" Sylvester? I wish he'd put his money where his mouth is and how us his amazing musician skills...
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Post by sandy on Aug 26, 2020 10:58:38 GMT
Exactly. What's been stopping Terry from whipping out his guitar and treating his millions of fans to a song or two during a ghastly time when we all need cheering up? You mean Terry "I don't need to rehearse, I'm a professional musician" Sylvester? Terry "my voice is perfect because I'm not a druggie" Sylvester? Terry "I don't jam, I play real music" Sylvester? I wish he'd put his money where his mouth is and how us his amazing musician skills... Last few videos posted on YouTube were a while ago now, and.....really not great...
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Post by thejanitor on Aug 26, 2020 14:17:34 GMT
The big conclusion regarding Terry for me is he desperately needs the help or to see it in himself to let go of his grudges and move past what embarrassment he has let build up since the RRHOF incident. Name calling and ranting about Allan and Graham being alleged druggies on Twitter all the time is not doing that, it's just letting the incident further define him which none of us want for him and he definitely doesn't want for himself.
Repeating a past point of mine, but I'd love see Terry to get to work on new original music, especially at this time. Once Allan got comfortable with making music again, his past and reputation as a former Hollie and what other people would think were hardly worries for him making Resurgence and he put it out there simply for anybody who wants to listen without a care for whether it would make the charts or not. I can easily see Terry taking on a similar attitude in his own way if he tried.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Aug 26, 2020 14:36:55 GMT
The big conclusion regarding Terry for me is he desperately needs the help or to see it in himself to let go of his grudges and move past what embarrassment he has let build up since the RRHOF incident. Name calling and ranting about Allan and Graham being alleged druggies on Twitter all the time is not doing that, it's just letting the incident further define him which none of us want for him and he definitely doesn't want for himself. Repeating a past point of mine, but I'd love see Terry to get to work on new original music, especially at this time. Once Allan got comfortable with making music again, his past and reputation as a former Hollie and what other people would think were hardly worries for him making Resurgence and he put it out there simply for anybody who wants to listen without a care for whether it would make the charts or not. I can easily see Terry taking on a similar attitude in his own way if he tried. The difference between the two is family support. Terry's alone with his demons it seems...
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Post by sandy on Aug 26, 2020 15:13:11 GMT
The big conclusion regarding Terry for me is he desperately needs the help or to see it in himself to let go of his grudges and move past what embarrassment he has let build up since the RRHOF incident. Name calling and ranting about Allan and Graham being alleged druggies on Twitter all the time is not doing that, it's just letting the incident further define him which none of us want for him and he definitely doesn't want for himself. Repeating a past point of mine, but I'd love see Terry to get to work on new original music, especially at this time. Once Allan got comfortable with making music again, his past and reputation as a former Hollie and what other people would think were hardly worries for him making Resurgence and he put it out there simply for anybody who wants to listen without a care for whether it would make the charts or not. I can easily see Terry taking on a similar attitude in his own way if he tried. I tried!!!!! That's a stage I tried before I got blocked😂😂I kept saying he was better than that, and not to let the past stop him from living the present and the future.That was when he posted the point that was the most honest....he said he didn't need advice, that he was hurt, and would deal with it in his own way..... Must admit, I felt that... But his own way of dealing with hurt is not the greatest, and is not helped by his ' friends' regularly impressing on him how awful it must feel to be treated like that..... It would do him good to get away from his social media ' buddies' ,I think. As far as him being creative again..I really don't think he has it in him anymore. Allan has remained, and even ,in my opinion, become more relevant ,music and writing wise. He always had that yearning to do different stuff.Terry did solo stuff which was pleasant, but I don't think groundbreaking. Even with Jimmy Griffin, it was soft stuff, although I did like that album. Terry wouldn't be able to get any recording contract with that type of thing now, and his name, unlike Allan's, doesn't carry any cred for anyone. ... There's the difference...Allan has moved on ,in every way, and is filled with positivity for life and music.... Terry.........😒
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Post by The Dude on Aug 26, 2020 16:30:22 GMT
Seems like he hasn't kept up the payments on his website (unless it's a temporary fault): terrysylvester.comI clicked on that link and got a warning from my virus detector that that site is known for phishing attacks...
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Post by sandy on Aug 26, 2020 17:00:06 GMT
Seems like he hasn't kept up the payments on his website (unless it's a temporary fault): terrysylvester.comI clicked on that link and got a warning from my virus detector that that site is known for phishing attacks... ...or deeply personal attacks ....😂💥👊
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Post by baz on Aug 26, 2020 17:43:21 GMT
Much as I hate to admit it, Terry is doing SOMETHING "right" as he's the person we find ourselves talking and debating about the most here on this forum. I guess he's of the school of thinking where if you can't get a good reaction, then go for a bad one. I'm certain he'd disagree with most of what we say and think here but the bottom line remains - the guy is wasting his musical talents and slowly unravelling what goodwill and respect he has amongst those of us who remember him fondly for what he brought to The Hollies.
How strange then that here in 2020, we still celebrate The Hollies and their ongoing activities, laud Graham for keeping on with what he does - music, touring and writing new songs, delight in Allan's remarkable resurgence and hopes for the future and then we have Terry providing a train wreck in slow motion.
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Post by sandy on Aug 26, 2020 17:58:08 GMT
Much as I hate to admit it, Terry is doing SOMETHING "right" as he's the person we find ourselves talking and debating about the most here on this forum. I guess he's of the school of thinking where if you can't get a good reaction, then go for a bad one. I'm certain he'd disagree with most of what we say and think here but the bottom line remains - the guy is wasting his musical talents and slowly unravelling what goodwill and respect he has amongst those of us who remember him fondly for what he brought to The Hollies. How strange then that here in 2020, we still celebrate The Hollies and their ongoing activities, laud Graham for keeping on with what he does - music, touring and writing new songs, delight in Allan's remarkable resurgence and hopes for the future and then we have Terry providing a train wreck in slow motion. If he had something to promote, I'd agree with the ' all publicity is good publicity'😂🤣😂...
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