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Post by sandy on Aug 12, 2021 7:38:44 GMT
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Post by thejanitor on Aug 12, 2021 23:09:56 GMT
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Post by sandy on Aug 13, 2021 7:35:25 GMT
Yes, I read that too. This post is the first to mention the details, so interesting. |
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Post by Malc on Aug 13, 2021 10:46:15 GMT
Just been chatting with the original FB thread starter on the subject - and whilst we have uncovered further detail, he doesn't own a copy either - but we've got a link to who does so we are following it up. One theory, naturally, is that it's the early demo for 'Corrine' that currently circulates fairly freely, but without the MG credit. We shall see...
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Aug 13, 2021 13:59:01 GMT
Just been chatting with the original FB thread starter on the subject - and whilst we have uncovered further detail, he doesn't own a copy either - but we've got a link to who does so we are following it up. One theory, naturally, is that it's the early demo for 'Corrine' that currently circulates fairly freely, but without the MG credit. We shall see... "Maureen" was the song they wrote for Tony's sister. Then it turned into "Corrine". |
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Post by Malc on Aug 13, 2021 14:06:59 GMT
Yes, but did it originate earlier on, before it was adapted into "Corrine" ? it was always assumed it was from the same mid-'70s era, but that's the question...
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Post by Tony Wilkinson on Aug 13, 2021 15:09:02 GMT
Don't forget this, don't suppose there's any connection....?
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Post by sandy on Aug 13, 2021 16:18:58 GMT
Love the well used trick of combining their names for the artist, Alamow!!!
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Aug 14, 2021 13:08:50 GMT
Yes, but did it originate earlier on, before it was adapted into "Corrine" ? it was always assumed it was from the same mid-'70s era, but that's the question... I always assumed "Maureen" was first (same era but earlier) but come to think of it, I've never known definitively... |
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Post by Malc on Aug 14, 2021 18:12:18 GMT
An update on this interesting little sideline but (along with Bee Gees authority Andrew Hughes) I've managed to make contact with the original recording engineer who oversaw the Maurice/Allan sessions back in 1971. As of yet we haven't dug too deeply but he appears happy to recount what still survives in the ol' memory bank from 50 years ago. What we do know is that...
a) They DID definitely work together during 1971 in the Island Studios in Basing Street, the studio of Maurice's choosing. They both laid down a backing track with acoustic guitars on a song titled "Maureen", along with an unidentified drummer. Then Maurice hired a steel band to add to the instrumentation, albeit out of tune (sound familiar ?!). Finally, and in between a meal of fried chicken (yes, really !) Allan supplied a lead vocal, followed by both of them adding harmonies and backing vocals (using the 16-track facilities).
b) Having played it for him, I can confirm that it was definitely NOT the same recording that circulates amongst Hollies collectors also titled "Maureen" (the pre-cursor to "Corrine"). Curses...
c) The 1971 track was mixed over at Command Studios and three 7" acetates were pressed up - one each for Maurice, Allan and Ric, the engineer. As of yet, I haven't enquired as to the existence of any surviving ones but... I will soon !
d) Allan has no recollection of what specific recordings took place (thanks to his conversation with Gralto a few years back) and, as Maurice is no longer with us, Ric is our only hope of learning more of this tantalising sideline.
Check back for more info as and when I have it !
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Post by Gralto on Aug 15, 2021 2:27:15 GMT
Fantastic sleuthing work Malco in tracking down the recording engineer and thanks too Sandy for posting this across from FB. What a find! This is definitely new info in the Hollies world of clandestine and solo-related recordings. I’ve never seen this acetate or dual Clarke/Gibb nom de plume used. Maybe Bee Gees nuts have been aware for some time?
Interesting that it is NOT the same Maureen recording! I will have to ask the original owner of the disc as to what they believe to be the story. As others have said, the Maureen acetate we know is believed to date from 1976ish but that has never been 100% confirmed.
When I asked AC some years ago about his recording work with Maurice, he implied there were tapes around somewhere , but whether they were with him or Allan assumed that they resided elsewhere was not clear. Maybe Toby Clarke who lurks on this site from time to time can ask his dad what tapes are hiding in the attic or in the back shed! We’d all love to know!
Cheers
Simon
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Post by sandy on Aug 15, 2021 8:01:50 GMT
Just been chatting with the original FB thread starter on the subject - and whilst we have uncovered further detail, he doesn't own a copy either - but we've got a link to who does so we are following it up. One theory, naturally, is that it's the early demo for 'Corrine' that currently circulates fairly freely, but without the MG credit. We shall see... I wouldn't guess it was the same song? In 1971, it wouldn't fit the kind of vibe that was around at that time? And the lyrics to Corrine seem very Clarke-Sylvester- Hicks -ish, rather than Clarkie at that era? I find it easier to imagine it being a totally different song. I would also imagine it may be primarily Allan's lyrics and Maurice's music possibly? Exciting ☺️ .......although, as you pointed out- a steel band?! That does indeed sound like a clue...!!! Ooohhhh🤔 |
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Post by Malc on Aug 28, 2021 7:48:37 GMT
CORRECTON !! Having now been fortunate enough to hear the aforesaid Gibb/Clarke collaboration, I can, in fact, confirm it IS the same song that developed into 'Corrine' and which currently circulates in a rough demo format as 'Maureen'. HOWEVER, this is a much fuller rendition, complete with full backing from the pair and veritable latin-tinged vibe - and it rocks ! Well, as much as such a lightweight ditty like this can...
Such a shame this collaboration never saw any further completed developments...
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Post by becca67 on Aug 28, 2021 16:26:01 GMT
Wild, never knew of any great Maurice and Allan connection before. Maurice was very talented and his 'solo' recordings are worth seeking out!
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Post by Malc on Sept 1, 2021 16:58:36 GMT
And the final word on the subject... for now... can now be found over on my Facebook page ( www.facebook.com/hollies.biography), where I've written up the full story to date  |
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Post by Stranger on May 11, 2023 20:18:26 GMT
There's a post on the Marmalade/Dean Ford Facebook page of an NME article for July 1969 stating that the band were recording a song the Hollies had written for them as their next single. The song: Maureen.
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Post by Malc on May 12, 2023 8:31:38 GMT
There's a post on the Marmalade/Dean Ford Facebook page of an NME article for July 1969 stating that the band were recording a song the Hollies had written for them as their next single. The song: Maureen. Thanks for that ! I've updated my article accordingly, noting that it must've been a Clarke-Hicks-Sylvester composition and not, as Ric Holland recalled, a Clarke-Gibb songwriting collaboration... www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=113073907762097&set=pb.100071593284286.-2207520000. |
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Post by Stranger on May 12, 2023 14:14:01 GMT
There's a post on the Marmalade/Dean Ford Facebook page of an NME article for July 1969 stating that the band were recording a song the Hollies had written for them as their next single. The song: Maureen. Thanks for that ! I've updated my article accordingly, noting that it must've been a Clarke-Hicks-Sylvester composition and not, as Ric Holland recalled, a Clarke-Gibb songwriting collaboration... www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=113073907762097&set=pb.100071593284286.-2207520000. Did Clarke Hicks Sylvester write as a trio that early? |
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Post by gee on May 12, 2023 21:29:28 GMT
Clarke-Hicks-Sylvester composed both 'Please Sign Your Letters' and 'Do You Believe in Love' which were included on the 'Hollies Sing Hollies' album of November 1969
so they were indeed writing a few songs all together in 1969
Clarke-Hicks also wrote 'Please Let Me Please' while Clarke-Sylvester began writing as a team even if the full team then drifted apart somewhat over 1970 to 1971 and 1973 with Clarke then often writing with Sylvester and a few others, each also composing solo
- while Hicks wrote solo or with a few others until the next released full team credited collaboration resumed with 'Hello Lady Goodbye' in 1974 and then continued on until 1978
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