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Post by moorlock2003 on May 22, 2021 15:11:37 GMT
Cliff Richard has sold a gazillion records in the UK, placing him among pop rock royalty. But is it deserved? Personally I find his singing bland. Even "Move It", his celebrated early hit, fails to move me. I bought his 1967 Canadian Capitol LP, "In a Mod Mood" (was this released in the UK?) thinking there had to be something groovy on it, but I couldn't find one track worth listening to a second time. Nope, Cliff Richard was/is decidedly unhip. Too bad the Shadows could never escape being in the shadow of such a fake rocker.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 22, 2021 16:21:27 GMT
Well, by 1967 he would be far from hip! You kind of have to judge him by what was on the charts at the time in the late 50s and early 60s, especially the Brit charts, which were totally different than the American ones. I think he had a lovely voice and good songs although was hardly edgy or dangerous to look at. Hence American rock and rollers such as Gene Vincent and Eddie Cochran were huge in the UK long after they peaked in the US for those who needed the edge and music from what was considered the "source".
I only knew Bachelor Boy before I moved to the Netherlands in 2004, but The Dude had an anthology of all his singles and many of them are lovely and well produced. But then I don't care if a singer is "uphip" if the songs are good.
Like this one.
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Post by anthony on May 22, 2021 16:29:10 GMT
Hi Moorlock.
I have to be honest I was a big Cliff fan in the 70’s and 80’s. He was very popular here in Australia. I have seen him many times live, always gave a great show. Love his many hits like devil women, wired for sound, Carrie, my kinda life and many more. I know he never really hit the big time in the states even tho he was massive around the world. But he is not the only one, the same can be said for the Hollies, even the Beatles took time before America recognised them.
quick Question Moorlock, apart from the Rickfors fronted Hollies who are the artists you like, I know America has so many styles of music.
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Post by The Dude on May 22, 2021 16:29:27 GMT
Short answer: Yea!
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Post by anthony on May 22, 2021 16:40:44 GMT
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Post by ahkyahnan on May 22, 2021 22:18:09 GMT
Here in the States the first I heard of him was Devil Woman in 5th Grade, but I really loved We Don’t Talk Anymore which was a big hit my freshman year in high school.
Mark
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Post by johnt on May 23, 2021 8:07:36 GMT
A big yea from me.
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Post by sandy on May 23, 2021 17:12:58 GMT
Yea, I can't not like him. I can't not like his music, it's pleasant, competently sung and performed, but I never felt any magic, or real heart in it, somehow? He's a lovely person too, but I always feel it's slightly pop by numbers, and, apart from a couple of tracks, doesn't move me, either ballads or more upbeat.
....but I still can't knock him, it's just a personal thing 😉
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Post by Tony Wilkinson on May 23, 2021 18:25:00 GMT
Whatever happened to 'The Hollies'...just saying like...!!
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Post by anthony on May 23, 2021 23:49:22 GMT
Whatever happened to 'The Hollies'...just saying like...!! Ok, I’ll make it into a Hollies connection, Steve Stroud, Steve Laurie, and Pete Howarth have all played in Cliffs band, Cliff has always said he had the best musicians because they made him better. |
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Post by sandy on May 24, 2021 8:29:31 GMT
Whatever happened to 'The Hollies'...just saying like...!! 🙂 We do seem to have gone 'off piste'!!! It's been a long lockdown 😉!!! So desperate to hear more news from Allan ☺️🤞🤞 |
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Post by gee on May 26, 2021 14:58:14 GMT
Well don't just do the moan (again) - do some Hollies posts !!!!
re the opening post here....I suspect done as an excuse to 'have a dig' at a UK recording artist in truth...
to say (or think) The Shadows never escaped from being in the 'shadow' of Cliff Richard is complete factual inaccurate nonsense
'Apache' knocked Cliff's 'Please Don't Tease' (itself written by Bruce Welch) off no.1 spot in the UK and remained at the top for five weeks (six on some charts)
'Wonderful Land' held top spot for EIGHT weeks in 1962
also 'Kon Tiki', 'Dance On' and 'Foot Tapper' each made no.1 in the UK as well
The Shadows had over 30 UK chart singles
The Shadows have had four UK chart topper albums - 1961, 1962, 1977 and in 1979 respectively plus 24 other UK chart albums overall
and came second in the dreaded Eurovision Song Contest in 1975
plus did the film soundtrack music to 'The Boys' in 1962
also ex-Shads Jet Harris & Tony Meehan made no.1 with 'Diamonds' and no.2 with 'Scarlett O'Hara plus reached no.4 with 'Applejack' in 1963 while Harris had a number of solo hits too
Hank Marvin regularly won 'Top guitarist' poll in the UK music press in the early sixties
so hardly not escaping the 'shadow of Cliff'...
someone needs to do a bit of research before he posts his usual derogative stuff...
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Post by Tony Wilkinson on May 26, 2021 16:41:56 GMT
Cliff and the Shadows were absolutely brilliant back in the day, worthy of being two of our greatest musical artists of all time..
I even collected reel to reel tapes of their albums...and then
Along came The Hollies...
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 26, 2021 17:02:00 GMT
Well don't just do the moan (again) - do some Hollies posts !!!! re the opening post here....I suspect done as an excuse to 'have a dig' at a UK recording artist in truth... to say (or think) The Shadows never escaped from being in the 'shadow' of Cliff Richard is complete factual inaccurate nonsense 'Apache' knocked Cliff's 'Please Don't Tease' (itself written by Bruce Welch) off no.1 spot in the UK and remained at the top for five weeks (six on some charts) 'Wonderful Land' held top spot for EIGHT weeks in 1962 also 'Kon Tiki', 'Dance On' and 'Foot Tapper' each made no.1 in the UK as well The Shadows had over 30 UK chart singles The Shadows have had four UK chart topper albums - 1961, 1962, 1977 and in 1979 respectively plus 24 other UK chart albums overall and came second in the dreaded Eurovision Song Contest in 1975 plus did the film soundtrack music to 'The Boys' in 1962 also ex-Shads Jet Harris & Tony Meehan made no.1 with 'Diamonds' and no.2 with 'Scarlett O'Hara plus reached no.4 with 'Applejack' in 1963 while Harris had a number of solo hits too Hank Marvin regularly won 'Top guitarist' poll in the UK music press in the early sixties so hardly not escaping the 'shadow of Cliff'... someone needs to do a bit of research before he posts his usual derogative stuff... For some Americans, if it didn't happen in America, it didn't happen.  |
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 26, 2021 17:11:55 GMT
Here in the States the first I heard of him was Devil Woman in 5th Grade, but I really loved We Don’t Talk Anymore which was a big hit my freshman year in high school. Mark Yeah in Canada (or Toronto, rather) he was way bigger. I remember "Bachelor Boy" from when I was a wee sprog, but none of the rest until I moved to Holland in 2004 and heard The Dude's singles anthology. And I was impressed, to be honest! Despite his unhipness. He had the Shadows for that... I posted this in another thread, but here's my comparison of 1960s chart listings for Canada (Toronto; CHUM was the standard chart until 1964), US, UK and the Netherlands. Click on it to see it better.  Of course, he became big over here in the late 70s again. Even played Thunder Bay! I didn't go see him, but my ex-sister-in-law and her then husband worked backstage at that concert. Jim told me that Cliff was running around barking, "My coke! I can't go onstage without my COKE!" Jim was positive it was the snorting kind...that's how little we knew about Cliff over here!  |
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Post by ahkyahnan on May 26, 2021 19:16:09 GMT
Here in the States the first I heard of him was Devil Woman in 5th Grade, but I really loved We Don’t Talk Anymore which was a big hit my freshman year in high school. Mark Yeah in Canada (or Toronto, rather) he was way bigger. I remember "Bachelor Boy" from when I was a wee sprog, but none of the rest until I moved to Holland in 2004 and heard The Dude's singles anthology. And I was impressed, to be honest! Despite his unhipness. He had the Shadows for that... I posted this in another thread, but here's my comparison of 1960s chart listings for Canada (Toronto; CHUM was the standard chart until 1964), US, UK and the Netherlands. Click on it to see it better. View AttachmentOf course, he became big over here in the late 70s again. Even played Thunder Bay! I didn't go see him, but my ex-sister-in-law and her then husband worked backstage at that concert. Jim told me that Cliff was running around barking, "My coke! I can't go onstage without my COKE!" Jim was positive it was the snorting kind...that's how little we knew about Cliff over here! Thanks for the insights. That chart is really nice! Mark |
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Post by baz on May 26, 2021 22:13:05 GMT
For some Americans, if it didn't happen in America, it didn't happen. Hence why The Shadows are not in the R+RHOF... in spite of being a massive influence on a lot of acts that are in there. Utterly criminal. |
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Post by anthony on May 27, 2021 1:31:06 GMT
For some Americans, if it didn't happen in America, it didn't happen. Hence why The Shadows are not in the R+RHOF... in spite of being a massive influence on a lot of acts that are in there. Utterly criminal. It’s amazing the Hollies really got in, don’t think they were all that popular in the states. |
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Post by eric on May 27, 2021 5:36:11 GMT
Cliff Richard as a solo performer and with The Shadows was massively successful in Australia.
On my local (Adelaide) chart, Cliff had a whopping 66 Top 40 entries from “Living Doll” in November 1959 to “The Millennium Prayer” in December 1999. He is only surpassed by Elvis Presley with 124 chart entries and is followed by The Beatles (62 entries).
Cliff had 3 No. 1 chart toppers, 29 Top 10 entries and 45 Top 20’s. These included 14 Top 10’s as Cliff Richard and The Shadows.
As I have written before, The Shadows were incredibly successful and influential in their own right in Australia. The Shads had 20 Top 40 entries from “Apache” in October 1960 to “Bombay Duck” in June 1967. Amazingly, they had 14 consecutive Top 10 hits from “Apache” to “Theme For Young Lovers” in November 1964.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 27, 2021 13:59:15 GMT
Hence why The Shadows are not in the R+RHOF... in spite of being a massive influence on a lot of acts that are in there. Utterly criminal. It’s amazing the Hollies really got in, don’t think they were all that popular in the states. Big enough to get it...not big enough to get in when they were supposed to. |
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 27, 2021 14:00:25 GMT
Yeah in Canada (or Toronto, rather) he was way bigger. I remember "Bachelor Boy" from when I was a wee sprog, but none of the rest until I moved to Holland in 2004 and heard The Dude's singles anthology. And I was impressed, to be honest! Despite his unhipness. He had the Shadows for that... I posted this in another thread, but here's my comparison of 1960s chart listings for Canada (Toronto; CHUM was the standard chart until 1964), US, UK and the Netherlands. Click on it to see it better. View AttachmentOf course, he became big over here in the late 70s again. Even played Thunder Bay! I didn't go see him, but my ex-sister-in-law and her then husband worked backstage at that concert. Jim told me that Cliff was running around barking, "My coke! I can't go onstage without my COKE!" Jim was positive it was the snorting kind...that's how little we knew about Cliff over here! Thanks for the insights. That chart is really nice! Mark I had health issues a few years ago and needed to keep out of trouble, so I started this Excel file... |
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Post by ahkyahnan on May 27, 2021 14:05:26 GMT
Thanks for the insights. That chart is really nice! Mark I had health issues a few years ago and needed to keep out of trouble, so I started this Excel file... Good therapy lol. I’ve put together several Excel files on 60s British bands to help me sort out all the non-album tracks, what’s on what reissue, etc. to help in my collecting. Plus I use it at work all day. Great tool. Mark |
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 27, 2021 16:49:46 GMT
For those who think Canada...US...same diff, same songs...Here's a chart you'd never see in America!  |
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