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Post by sandy on Apr 18, 2021 11:47:54 GMT
Forgive a slightly off topic post, but after watching this, I'm DESPERATE to see the Hollies appearance...😞😞😞😞 If only it had survived.... Does anyone know if it was a straight performance , which I know of from photos, or if they did a comic section with Eric and Ernie too? Piper, Allan's daughter, said Allan became friends with Eric,who, she remembered,was a lovely guy, and let the family use his summer holiday home in Portugal 🙂 www.facebook.com/watch/?v=364748514888385 |
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Post by cameron on Apr 19, 2021 18:45:06 GMT
Sadly, it's a categorical NO for now. It was recorded in March 1967 and they performed their last single 'Stop! Stop! Stop!' and their new just-released single 'On A Carousel'. Apparently there's a section of talking with Eric and Ernie, but no skit with them. No audio has turned up either to my knowledge. Interestingly, it was repeated in October/November 1967 on the BBC, so the BBC kept the tapes for a while. It's been hoped that during the six month duration that the tapes were still at the BBC, the clips may have been copied and sent overseas, as was the norm with Top Of The Pops around this time, but nothing has turned up so far, and the Morecambe and Wise show is one of those missing shows that people regularly search for.
As an aside, have you joined the Kaleidoscope group on Facebook? They're a non-profit organisation who specialise in the restoration and preservation of old TV footage, and each year they have a convention showing the highlights of the year in terms of lost TV shows. In fact, the last event in 2019, they screened the Hollies' appearance on 'Colour Me Pop' in 1968, which had survived in black and white after being copied to be sent overseas at the time. They frequently post updates about their finds and list recovered episodes on the Facebook group. They particularly like finding lost performances of Top of the Pops, and have been responsible for returning many of them to the BBC.
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Post by baz on Apr 19, 2021 22:25:05 GMT
That wasn't a BBC show. It was Morecambe and Wise's final series for ATV... and a bit of a complex state of affairs as it was taped in colour for the US market and broadcast there in mid 1967 as "Piccadilly Palace". It was a strange series as it was aimed at the American market as well as the the UK hence had various American guests as well as British ones. As can be seen from their "Ed Sullivan Show" appearances, M+W didn't really go down that well in America but they were determined to crack it... and failed. The UK transmissions weren't until late 1967 - in black and white - by which time the music slots were out of date so viewers saw The Hollies singing those two songs when their current record was "King Midas In Reverse"! Only two of the UK shows have survived which feature Freddie and The Dreamers and The Small Faces. There have been intensive searches in the US for any colour copies but none have been found, not even b+w film recordings. ATV also did some other shows in this manner, filming in colour for the American market but broadcasting in b+w in the UK which was definitely the case with Peter Cook and Dudley Moore's "Goodbye Again" and a pair of odd Benny Hill shows from late 1967. ATV went to even stranger lengths in 1969 with the first series of "This Is Tom Jones" where each show was filmed TWICE - once in b+w for the UK and again in colour for America which of course ended up being a rather costly exercise.
Morecambe and Wise famously switched to the BBC in 1968 mainly because they wanted to broadcast in colour in the UK and were able to do so for their first series there which was shown on BBC2 the only channel broadcasting in colour. Strange to think that until 3 or 4 years ago, all that was left of that first BBC series was a near complete edition in b+w and nothing else. Since then, 3 more have turned up, two of which were restored into colour and shown on BBC2 and the third is so badly damaged (gummed up so the reel cannot be unwound), they're using some very complex scanning technology to get whatever frames they can from the print though extremely unlikely to ever be recovered in broadcastable form.
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Post by Gralto on Apr 20, 2021 11:37:32 GMT
Yes there is some chance that a colour 16mm telerecording (kinescope) of the M&W performance via the Piccadilly Palace version will survive in a collection in the US somewhere - along with The Dating Game appearance with Hicks - but neither has yet to be located.
There is also meant to be some brief footage of The H live in Louisiana in 1966 that is on a tape that has supposedly found its way over to here in Oz - another story - but I’ve not seen it personally. But there is definitely more material in private hands that has yet to see the light of day... A certain singer on a 1960s Hollies package tour - still alive and performing - has home movies that have never been seen inc likely Hollies footage. Not to mention the amazing Rod Shields home movies featuring a few lost snippets of UK tv appearances...inc TYLS
I MUST post that rare third Hollies clip from the kindly footage benefactor!
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Post by Tony Wilkinson on Apr 20, 2021 12:19:21 GMT
Yes there is some chance that a colour 16mm telerecording (kinescope) of the M&W performance via the Piccadilly Palace version will survive in a collection in the US somewhere - along with The Dating Game appearance with Hicks - but neither has yet to be located. There is also meant to be some brief footage of The H live in Louisiana in 1966 that is on a tape that has supposedly found its way over to here in Oz - another story - but I’ve not seen it personally. But there is definitely more material in private hands that has yet to see the light of day... A certain singer on a 1960s Hollies package tour - still alive and performing - has home movies that have never been seen inc likely Hollies footage. Not to mention the amazing Rod Shields home movies featuring a few lost snippets of UK tv appearances...inc TYLS I MUST post that rare third Hollies clip from the kindly footage benefactor! I used to know a guy that 'worked' a camera at the Batley variety club days back in the early 70's possibly pre VHS, bet there's loads of semi-pro stuff out there that folk don't consider important enough to make public.... A bit later at the likes of Harrogate and York there were always tv's in the foyers before the shows showing that cameras were focussed on the stage....'The truth is out there'.... |
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Post by cameron on Apr 20, 2021 18:00:56 GMT
Many years ago, I spoke with a guy who worked for CBS in America in the mid-1960s and he specifically said that "several" shows were filmed for the 'Inside Pop: The Rock Revolution' show, where the earliest live footage of the Hollies survives of them performing 'Bus Stop' and 'The Times They Are A Changin'. He spoke of the large trucks gathered outside the venues that housed all the filming equipment and remembered having to move it to more than one venue. The Herman's Hermits footage was deemed unusable due to their record and film contract with rival film company MGM. He wasn't sure if the footage survived the cutting room floor, but it was filmed.
Another one that I again fairly recently found reference to, was a TV special done in Sweden to promote 'Hollies Sing Hollies' in 1969. Tony Hicks was interviewed, telling of this 45 minute show where allegedly every song from the album was played. It wasn't clear if it was live or whether they manufactured "music videos" to go with the songs. I've asked around about it, but no one seems to have any idea if it was even a project that came to light. The interview with Tony from 1969 quoted him saying that they'd just finished it, so presumably it did happen.
It does make you wonder what's out there... no reference was ever made to the 1968 Split Festival of Pop being filmed at the time (and it was covered in the British press), but it appeared again on Croatian TV about 10-15 years ago. Lets hope there's more hidden gems awaiting unearthing.
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