|
Post by Stranger on Jan 21, 2021 14:43:55 GMT
Apparently there is a sea shanty craze online at the moment with a sea shanty about to break the Top 40. I'm sure Nova Scotian whalers have been waiting their whole lives for this.
Any chance the Hollies could dust of the Blood Red Roses bootleg and get it in the charts?
I've never even heard it?!
|
|
|
Post by The Dude on Jan 21, 2021 17:37:50 GMT
Apparently there is a sea shanty craze online at the moment with a sea shanty about to break the Top 40. I'm sure Nova Scotian whalers have been waiting their whole lives for this. Any chance the Hollies could dust of the Blood Red Roses bootleg and get it in the charts? I've never even heard it?! First (and only) version I knew until this day was by Matthews' Southern Comfort off their second album Second Spring ...but there are several versions, like this one, on YouTube but no Hollies
|
|
|
Post by Tony Wilkinson on Jan 21, 2021 20:12:46 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Mevrouw Bee on Jan 21, 2021 20:23:02 GMT
Okay I did NOT expect a sea shanty to be followed by CSN! WOW!
|
|
|
Post by Stranger on Jan 21, 2021 20:33:43 GMT
Tony you are an absolute saint. I've been 15 years trying to hear this.
A better version of Woodstock than the one I've heard too.
Thank you!
|
|
|
Post by Tony Wilkinson on Jan 21, 2021 20:41:50 GMT
Okay I did NOT expect a sea shanty to be followed by CSN! WOW! Me and my best mate Sandy are full of surprises.. !!
|
|
|
Post by thejanitor on Jan 21, 2021 23:17:05 GMT
Ah, the unpredictability and randomness of internet memes (assuming that's what the craze is) ... but I'm very happy for those whalers whatever the case. 😄
And yes, a great version of Woodstock. Nice finds! 👍
|
|
|
Post by dirtyfaz on Jan 22, 2021 2:15:56 GMT
Jeez, both the Blood Red Roses and Woodstock originated from my hand held mike recording of the Don't get Sunburnt to a National Reel to Reel tape recorder. How do I know this? listen to the hum through both tracks. Way way back in the early days of collecting there were a group of Hollies fans that traded tapes of material they had. We had to rely on writing to each other and then posting the cassettes we were trading. The tracks that turned up on bootlegs from Sunburnt back then were from my recording. All tracks had the hum through it. unfortunately for everyone I am not tech, let say you tube savvy, but I believe I have cleaner versions of the Sunburnt soundtrack now but don't know how to share them.
|
|
|
Post by sandy on Jan 22, 2021 10:29:45 GMT
Jeez, both the Blood Red Roses and Woodstock originated from my hand held mike recording of the Don't get Sunburnt to a National Reel to Reel tape recorder. How do I know this? listen to the hum through both tracks. Way way back in the early days of collecting there were a group of Hollies fans that traded tapes of material they had. We had to rely on writing to each other and then posting the cassettes we were trading. The tracks that turned up on bootlegs from Sunburnt back then were from my recording. All tracks had the hum through it. unfortunately for everyone I am not tech, let say you tube savvy, but I believe I have cleaner versions of the Sunburnt soundtrack now but don't know how to share them. So funny! I've had stuff I taped and traded, like you, come back to me years later 😂😂 You can upload them to Google drive and share a link, if you have that. I've used that before. I put stuff on Facebook in Hollies'groups too. This site is totally impossible to share all but a tiny pic, or links to YouTube...been frustrated many times😬😂😂
|
|
|
Post by Mevrouw Bee on Jan 22, 2021 13:23:21 GMT
May I just say, as a Hollies concert virgin, that's one kickass guitar solo from Tony!
|
|
|
Post by anthony on Jan 22, 2021 23:52:19 GMT
Jeez, both the Blood Red Roses and Woodstock originated from my hand held mike recording of the Don't get Sunburnt to a National Reel to Reel tape recorder. How do I know this? listen to the hum through both tracks. Way way back in the early days of collecting there were a group of Hollies fans that traded tapes of material they had. We had to rely on writing to each other and then posting the cassettes we were trading. The tracks that turned up on bootlegs from Sunburnt back then were from my recording. All tracks had the hum through it. unfortunately for everyone I am not tech, let say you tube savvy, but I believe I have cleaner versions of the Sunburnt soundtrack now but don't know how to share them. Thank goodness you were able to record Don’t get sunburnt, otherwise it would be lost forever.
|
|
|
Post by JamesT on Jan 23, 2021 9:36:27 GMT
Jeez, both the Blood Red Roses and Woodstock originated from my hand held mike recording of the Don't get Sunburnt to a National Reel to Reel tape recorder. How do I know this? listen to the hum through both tracks. Way way back in the early days of collecting there were a group of Hollies fans that traded tapes of material they had. We had to rely on writing to each other and then posting the cassettes we were trading. The tracks that turned up on bootlegs from Sunburnt back then were from my recording. All tracks had the hum through it. unfortunately for everyone I am not tech, let say you tube savvy, but I believe I have cleaner versions of the Sunburnt soundtrack now but don't know how to share them. Thank goodness you were able to record Don’t get sunburnt, otherwise it would be lost forever. I'm sure if all the regulars here chipped in $2,000 each, we would be able to extract it from David Peck's archives for a day...
|
|
|
Post by cameron on Jan 23, 2021 10:29:00 GMT
Thank goodness you were able to record Don’t get sunburnt, otherwise it would be lost forever. I'm sure if all the regulars here chipped in $2,000 each, we would be able to extract it from David Peck's archives for a day... Haha so true! This is one of my main Hollies rarity related gripes. I emailed them specifically about it, upon learning that they have the whole show in colour, when it was only ever shown in black and white originally. David Peck was completely enraged that I even dared ask about it, boldly claiming that I was "lucky to get the [LTAW] documentary" because "there's no money in the Hollies". I still have the email somewhere. So I take umbrage to his utter BS posts on social media about being a sycophantic music fan, he's only in it for the money. Sadly, the closest any of us are ever going to get to the concert is the bootlegged audio. I shared it on my SoundCloud page some years ago, it came on quite a common Hollies bootleg (I think 'Manchester Express'?) that I got hold of a while back. I tried to clean it up as much as possible, but it's obviously a low generation copy of dirtyfaz 's original tape recording. Here's the link: soundcloud.com/theholliesrareandunreleased/live-in-australia-1971
|
|
|
Post by Mevrouw Bee on Jan 23, 2021 13:26:07 GMT
I'm sure if all the regulars here chipped in $2,000 each, we would be able to extract it from David Peck's archives for a day... Haha so true! This is one of my main Hollies rarity related gripes. I emailed them specifically about it, upon learning that they have the whole show in colour, when it was only ever shown in black and white originally. David Peck was completely enraged that I even dared ask about it, boldly claiming that I was "lucky to get the [LTAW] documentary" because "there's no money in the Hollies". I still have the email somewhere. So I take umbrage to his utter BS posts on social media about being a sycophantic music fan, he's only in it for the money. Sadly, the closest any of us are ever going to get to the concert is the bootlegged audio. I shared it on my SoundCloud page some years ago, it came on quite a common Hollies bootleg (I think 'Manchester Express'?) that I got hold of a while back. I tried to clean it up as much as possible, but it's obviously a low generation copy of dirtyfaz 's original tape recording. Here's the link: soundcloud.com/theholliesrareandunreleased/live-in-australia-1971Gee, maybe if we all harassed him, he'd start feeling differently...
|
|
|
Post by Stranger on Jan 23, 2021 13:41:37 GMT
Gee, maybe if we all harassed him, he'd start feeling differently... We tried that on the old forum, he came on and had a big argument with us. It didn't work either but good thinking all the same! We just need to crowdfund it, raise the money...
|
|
|
Post by anthony on Jan 23, 2021 14:58:15 GMT
Haha so true! This is one of my main Hollies rarity related gripes. I emailed them specifically about it, upon learning that they have the whole show in colour, when it was only ever shown in black and white originally. David Peck was completely enraged that I even dared ask about it, boldly claiming that I was "lucky to get the [LTAW] documentary" because "there's no money in the Hollies". I still have the email somewhere. So I take umbrage to his utter BS posts on social media about being a sycophantic music fan, he's only in it for the money. Sadly, the closest any of us are ever going to get to the concert is the bootlegged audio. I shared it on my SoundCloud page some years ago, it came on quite a common Hollies bootleg (I think 'Manchester Express'?) that I got hold of a while back. I tried to clean it up as much as possible, but it's obviously a low generation copy of dirtyfaz 's original tape recording. Here's the link: soundcloud.com/theholliesrareandunreleased/live-in-australia-1971Gee, maybe if we all harassed him, he'd start feeling differently... I get the impression that David Peck is like a spoiled little kid, I have the rights to all these wonderful shows but no body can see them, they are all mine. But the funny thing is as the years fly past, nobody will be interested in his massive collection and in most cases will not know or care about these shows. I’m in my early 60’s, try talking to some in their 30’s about old shows are they think you are from the ark.
|
|
|
Post by cameron on Jan 23, 2021 15:02:46 GMT
It's absolute rubbish about needing this "crowdfunding" for the film. It's an owned tape in their archive. The cost of running it through the digitisation process (if it's not already done) is minimal. It's more to do with distribution rights and manufacturing a DVD (if that's how they distribute it), and paying the copyright on the audio, though it's a live recording, so there's no money to be paid to Hollies Ltd other than what they own of the songwriting royalties, theoretically. As of 2021, this particular footage is over 50 years old with no re-release or even re-broadcast on Australian TV, so in theory the copyright has expired. I can't imagine for one second that any of the Hollies past or present are bothered about some old concert footage enough to front the money to release it officially. David Peck is worried about someone bootlegging it for money, much like the clips from the LTAW DVD are bootlegged repeatedly, so I get that. But Reelin In The Years don't own the copyrights for most of the clips, they just manage the tape itself and the distribution on behalf of the TV companies, so much of the clips duplicated on YouTube are still there because it's down to the TV company to lodge the complaint. In fact, I think 'Beat Beat Beat' have put the clips used on LTAW on their YouTube channel officially since the LTAW DVD. 'Beat Club' and 'Top Pop' have also done the same.
Eventually, these TV companies will realise that YouTube and free access for all is going to make them the most money from the advertising revenue. People will still license the footage officially for documentaries and news etc... so that market will still be there. But rather than things gathering dust and deteriorating in vaults, it can be on the internet earning them money every minute of every day if they work strategically. We're on the cusp of a huge change in the way in which TV is broadcast, with many people like myself surrendering their TV license years ago as we move to web-based platforms instead. Archival material will be available for open or paid access soon. The BBC are working on an accessible archive, and I think it will be what saves the corporation from disappearing altogether. I do not care to pay for current TV, but would happily pay a fee to access archival material, if there was something that I wanted to watch. Or even on a pay-per-view basis like Amazon do. The world is changing, I don't have all the answers, but I know that closing the drawbridge and flatly refusing to even have a conversation about sharing footage, as the footage holder, is NOT the way forward.
|
|
|
Post by baz on Jan 24, 2021 0:12:05 GMT
I get the impression that David Peck is like a spoiled little kid, I have the rights to all these wonderful shows but no body can see them, they are all mine. But the funny thing is as the years fly past, nobody will be interested in his massive collection and in most cases will not know or care about these shows. I’m in my early 60’s, try talking to some in their 30’s about old shows are they think you are from the ark. Exactly. That is what cheeses me off. This company comes along, hoovering up priceless footage then tantalises us with watermarked snippets as if to brag " we've got this, you haven't so tough luck!" Their arrogant attitude against fans is disgusting as they make it known they will NOT do any deals with anyone except big name media companies or acts who will cough up their ransom "licensing" fees. Problem is, we're all getting older and the market and interest for their "exclusive" materials are shrinking. By the time we're all gone, that archive will be largely worthless.
|
|
|
Post by anthony on Jan 24, 2021 13:27:09 GMT
I get the impression that David Peck is like a spoiled little kid, I have the rights to all these wonderful shows but no body can see them, they are all mine. But the funny thing is as the years fly past, nobody will be interested in his massive collection and in most cases will not know or care about these shows. I’m in my early 60’s, try talking to some in their 30’s about old shows are they think you are from the ark. Exactly. That is what cheeses me off. This company comes along, hoovering up priceless footage then tantalises us with watermarked snippets as if to brag " we've got this, you haven't so tough luck!" Their arrogant attitude against fans is disgusting as they make it known they will NOT do any deals with anyone except big name media companies or acts who will cough up their ransom "licensing" fees. Problem is, we're all getting older and the market and interest for their "exclusive" materials are shrinking. By the time we're all gone, that archive will be largely worthless. Spot on, what big organisation will want anything to do with don’t get sunburnt, it’s only something us diehard fans are keen on. His darn watermarks on 50 year old plus clips, he need to take his cricket bat and go home like the spoiled little kid he is.
|
|
|
Post by dirtyfaz on Jan 24, 2021 20:54:57 GMT
We live in a world of Company GREED.
|
|
|
Post by Tony Wilkinson on Jan 24, 2021 21:14:33 GMT
We live in a world of Company GREED. No, please don't go all 'Nash' on us......
|
|
|
Post by Mevrouw Bee on Jan 25, 2021 14:00:52 GMT
We live in a world of Company GREED. Couldn't agree more.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 14:49:30 GMT
It isn't greed, it's stupidity. Any businessman (or woman) worthy of the name doesn't sit on saleable product forever. Far better from a business perspective is to put it out on DVD relatively cheaply, while rigorously pursuing any youtube uploads to get them removed. This works for other companies (you won't find much Bob Dylan footage on youtube, ditto anything from 'The Ed Sullivan Show').
David Peck's "business sense" is similar to Dave Clark's: imagine how much more popular The Dave Clark Five would be today if he'd released deluxe/extended CDs of their albums 20-30 years ago.
|
|
|
Post by baz on Jan 25, 2021 22:25:15 GMT
David Peck's "business sense" is similar to Dave Clark's: imagine how much more popular The Dave Clark Five would be today if he'd released deluxe/extended CDs of their albums 20-30 years ago. Perfectly put. Dave Clark is the best object lesson in how not to treat one's legacy and assets, especially for someone supposedly regarded as being a shrewd businessman.
|
|
|
Post by cameron on Jan 26, 2021 8:50:17 GMT
I guess we're still on "unchartered territory" with pop music, even 50 year on. There's no rule book to follow and to some degree, people are just making it up as they go along. A greatly managed band like the Beatles still manage to issue the same thing several times over and earn a reputation for conning fans and recycling existing products, so it's a fine line. At the opposite end of the spectrum, you have the Rolling Stones, STILL bound by the shackles of ABCKO to not issue anything new from their core 1964-71 period, even though there's certainly enough demand for it. Then there's bands like the Kinks and Small Faces, who's albums sold very poorly on release on the whole, who manage to be well stocked by music shops all over the world. The Kinks' 1968 masterpiece 'Village Green Preservation Society' sold so poorly on release, that Pye cancelled distributing it after just two months, yet in 2018, it was certified gold for selling over a million copies in the US. So go figure. It goes to show that with the right management and PR, great things can happen for any band, even 50 years later.
The Hollies are a bit of an oddity, because their albums and singles did sell well on release. It's been said that they sold more records than the Rolling Stones in the 1960s, who are remembered as being "second best" to the Beatles. There's generally not a "rare" Hollies studio album, even the cancelled 'Out On The Road' LP is possible to find on eBay fairly regularly. I think their popularity has been allowed to wane, with no one cultivating their incredible back catalogue. The demand for the Hollies is still there - they regularly sell out shows all over the world and their music is still played on the radio. But there's seemingly no one in their camp who is running that PR machine effectively. Any new release is announced with minimal hype, usually with less than 6-8 weeks to go until the release, and Tony and Bobby are wheeled out for maybe a handful of radio promotions, strangely mostly limited to regional BBC radio, and that's it.
Even things like their double LP reissue of 'Evolution' and 'Butterfly' in 2017 was confusing - why did we need a stereo AND mono LP in one package? They should have been issued as a standalone mono LP on coloured vinyl with an authentic flipback sleeve for record store day (or even better, but less likely, a stereo remix of both), like seemingly every other EMI/Parlophone popsyche act has received over the last four or five years. It's just little things like that, which the poor sales of this rather expensive two LP set have probably made Tony and Bobby's mind up to not allow future releases on vinyl. Ditto Warners issuing '20 Golden Greats' instead of just about any other Hollies hit compilation, with that AWFUL cover, and it's quite an expensive single LP. Again, the 1968 'Hollies Greatest' in mono for Record Store Day would have been a huge hit with fans and collectors alike. It's a case of knowing your target audience and playing to it, just like groups like the Kinks and the Small Faces have managed to do for the last 20 years or so.
I still maintain that the Hollies' greatest strength was as a live act. It's crazy that one of their top five biggest selling LPs 'Hollies Live Hits' continues to be difficult to find, even missing out on inclusion on the 'Head Out of Dreams' boxset, which would have no doubt added a huge selling point. It was issued by Sony in America in the early 2000s with a new cover, and quietly tagged onto the end of the expensive 'Long Road Home' boxset in 2003. French Magic Records issued it in 2004/5, but again, this was considered a "bootleg" release in the UK, even though the Hollies' official website publicised it at the time. Other than that, we've officially had just three tracks from the sublime 1966 Stockholm concert, and eight tracks from the 1968 Lewisham Odeon concert. For a band that was generally regarded as one of the greatest live acts of the 1960s in terms of their professionalism and talent, this isn't good enough. The vast majority of their most viewed clips on YouTube stem from the live performances from the 1969 'Hollies In Concert' show, the 1968 Yugoslavian concert and the 1966 Beat Club appearances. Again, it's another case of not following the market research that's all there and pitching new releases at this audience, which is clearly hungry for the Hollies.
|
|