Long Cool Woman Wikipedia

[Stranger]

I see someone has edited in a section claiming the Hollies had to settle with John Fogerty on the songs: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Cool_Woman_in_a_Black_Dress

I don't think there is a word of truth in it, is there? I've never heard such a thing.

It also lists Terry on guitar, which isn't accurate either.

[Deleted]

Much of Wikipedia is like those semi-fictional Hollywood movies that claim to be "based on a true story"...

[thejanitor]

Just checked over a few articles out of curiosity - someone has added info onto Bernie's page about three of the bass guitars he used throughout his time in the group which is cool I guess. Still no edits on a lot of pages to remove the myth of them playing on Two Yanks though...

[JamesT]

A perfect example of the issues with Wikipedia. No reference to back up the claim about Fogerty.

[gee]

LCW is not even in Creedence swamp rock 'clanking' rhythm guitar backed driving style either

- it's done far more in the style of early Elvis Presley tracks like 'Milk Cow Blues Boogie' (1954) that is with a lone voice calling out the lyrics above a very basic 'lean' economical sound plus adding the echo Elvis used on his vocal on songs such as 'Heartbreak Hotel' etc



written only by Allan Clarke and Roger Cook it began a country influence number that got faster and 'rockier'

Terry Sylvester is not on the recording as wiki claim

Allan Clarke - lead vocal, lead guitar
Tony Hicks - backup guitar (with the 'backup' guitar figure behind Allan's intro guitar)
Bernie Calvert - bass guitar
Bobby Elliott - drums

[gee]

as for the  'moody' echo vocal style...

[gee]

here is Creedence 'Green River'



doesn't resemble LCW style as much as Elvis early tracks for me...

[gee]

however whose influence here...?

[gee]

My Baby Left Me - Elvis Presley 1956

[moorlock2003]

Jan 8, 2021 15:35:32 GMT Stranger said:

I see someone has edited in a section claiming the Hollies had to settle with John Fogerty on the songs: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Cool_Woman_in_a_Black_Dress

I don't think there is a word of truth in it, is there? I've never heard such a thing.

It also lists Terry on guitar, which isn't accurate either.

[moorlock2003]

What BS. What other phony stories are you Brits going to come up with to knock The Hollies' career peak in 1972? It didn't happen in the UK. The '83 reunion with Nash didn't happen in the UK either. Suck it up and get over it.

[The Dude]

Jan 9, 2021 19:46:39 GMT moorlock2003 said:

What BS. What other phony stories are you Brits going to come up with to knock The Hollies' career peak in 1972? It didn't happen in the UK. The '83 reunion with Nash didn't happen in the UK either. Suck it up and get over it.

What have you been smoking??? Nobody's knocking The Hollies. 

[Mevrouw Bee]

We can say what we want about Wikipedia, but the whole point of it is that it's based on the information WE give it. So if we think it's wrong, We're within our rights to change it.

While we're at it, we can also correct Tony Hazzard's entry, which he's told me is absolute bollocks.

[gee]

Wiki can be edited by member for ANY country - do we know for sure it was made from a UK source ?

Hollies career peak;

Their career peek is determined by the consistent sales of their records worldwide when they were also touring worldwide and appearing on TV and had radio airplay but mostly is indicated by the selling power of their records and number of hit singles and chart albums which largely then determined how much TV, radio and touring work they then obtained as a result...
(ie they got the USA tour as a result of 'Long Cool Woman' charting stateside  in 1972)

Re worldwide chart hit singles The Hollies career peak was between 1966 and 1969 a period during which they achieved at least 157 known international chart placings ( bear in mind that  some sixties chart details are not known so probably even more than this total)  with their single releases from 'I Can't Let Go' to 'He Ain't Heavy He's My Brother' - including 20 known number one chart single placings worldwide

plus 16 known international album chart placings achieved over 1966 to 1969 period

In 1972 they achieved 27 known international singles chart placings - a total beaten by 40 singles chart placings worldwide in 1969 alone 

they were routinely touring more countries, including the USA, Canada, Europe, and even visited Japan, over 1966 to 1969 than their more sporadic and specific touring later

they had four known album chart placings worldwide in 1972 - a total beaten by Six album chart placings worldwide in 1969 alone

so in terms of worldwide popularity in selling records, routine touring at home and overseas, plus doing regular TV work, their career peek is earlier than 1972 while they enjoyed more singles and album sales worldwide in the year 1969 than in 1972

note -  those gold records on Allan Clarke's wall each relate to albums compiled with (or live versions of re 'Hollies Live Hits')  The Hollies famous sixties and early seventies hit singles Allan sang on up to the 1971 recording of his song 'Long Cool Woman' - which itself tells us The Hollies career peek period

Hollies - Graham Nash 'Reunion':
 
The reunion with Nash that began the 'What Goes Around...' album recording actually happened in 1981 IN the UK where Nash arrived from Hawaii (not from the USA mainland ) following Tony Hicks phone call to him re the BBC wanting the (near) original Hollies who had performed on the 'Holliedaze' hits to do their 'Top of The Pop's TV show after the single had charted in the UK

- they were photographed together with Graham Nash and Eric Haydock in London

then did the BBC 'Top of The Pops' together for 'Holliedaze' aired by BBC on 10 September 1981 which was also the day that Graham Nash joined in for 'Somethin Ain't Right' at Audio International studios and they agreed to cut further songs together for a new album

the basic backing tracks for the songs on 'What Goes Around' album were cut at White House Studios, Reading UK and Riverside studios Hammersmith over 2-18 March then over 17 May - 20 May 1982

Tony Hicks has said he would call up Graham Nash in Hawaii to play him the songs basic backing tracks (which were possibly / probably  cut with 'guide vocals') over the phone...!

Allan Clarke flew to the States to see Graham in January 1982 then Graham Nash came back to the UK in early 1982 to further discuss plans for the album - Graham stayed with Tony and Jane Hicks during his UK visit

the vocal and some instrumental overdubs on the pre-recorded backing tracks, (besides 'Somethin Ain't Right' dating from September 1981) were then added at Rudy Records LA over 8-26 June 1982 with additional overdubs over 1-2 February 1983

so the initial 'reunion' with Graham Nash was in autumn 1981 with the album project agreed and one track recorded in the UK, then backing tracks were cut in the UK in March then May 1982 before the vocal and instrumental overdubs were later added in the USA in summer 1982 and Feb 1983

a final (to date unissued) 'reunion' track 'Don't Close Your Eyes' was recorded at Rudy Records LA on 14 January 1984