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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Oct 27, 2020 0:51:19 GMT
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Post by Malc on Oct 27, 2020 7:03:13 GMT
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Post by cameron on Oct 27, 2020 9:04:57 GMT
It looks quite interesting actually. Some good observations but again, painting the Hollies in a rather "sheep-like" way. The author mentions them following the trend of psychedelic clothes but like everyone else isn't aware that they had them before even the Beatles did! They were appearing in psychedelic clothes as early as February/March 1967, whereas the Beatles didn't step out in full-blown psychedelia until around June AFTER Sgt. Pepper.
But interesting that the author saw them at Batley Variety Club in 1968. Famously the last word in the cabaret circuit back in the day and home to an unfathomable amount of really big stars in this otherwise completely forgettable West Yorkshire town. There's the old Les Dawson joke: "I went to play at the Batley Variety Club and just before I went on stage I found myself needing to spend a penny. I asked the owner if they had a toilet for the guest stars and he motioned to a sink in the corner of the dressing room. "What, I have to use that?!" I asked. He replied: "Well it's good enough for Shirley Bassey"."
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Post by gee on Oct 27, 2020 10:47:18 GMT
although released the same day Evolution was Parlophone PMC / PCS 7022 and Sgt Pepper was Parlophone PMC / PCS 7027
Simon and Marjike aka 'The Fool' worked on the Sgt Pepper inserts after doing the Evolution back cover design
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 11:46:34 GMT
Must admit I never liked David Hepworth when he co-presented 'Whistle Test' back in the '80s and it has put me off his books... having said that, this looks worth checking out!
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Post by baz on Oct 27, 2020 13:09:09 GMT
Must admit I never liked David Hepworth when he co-presented 'Whistle Test' back in the '80s and it has put me off his books... having said that, this looks worth checking out! Same here regarding my dislike for Hepworth. Brusque, snarky and egotistical. Not the sort of person I like. |
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Oct 27, 2020 15:44:13 GMT
It looks quite interesting actually. Some good observations but again, painting the Hollies in a rather "sheep-like" way. The author mentions them following the trend of psychedelic clothes but like everyone else isn't aware that they had them before even the Beatles did! They were appearing in psychedelic clothes as early as February/March 1967, whereas the Beatles didn't step out in full-blown psychedelia until around June AFTER Sgt. Pepper. How tiring. They were already in touch with the Dutch collective known as The Fool by that time, who designed their clothes and the Evolution cover. I guess there are advantages to less studio time...You have more time on your hands for other things (beyond waiting for Bobby to get better). |
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Post by The Dude on Oct 27, 2020 16:55:02 GMT
It looks quite interesting actually. Some good observations but again, painting the Hollies in a rather "sheep-like" way. The author mentions them following the trend of psychedelic clothes but like everyone else isn't aware that they had them before even the Beatles did! They were appearing in psychedelic clothes as early as February/March 1967, whereas the Beatles didn't step out in full-blown psychedelia until around June AFTER Sgt. Pepper. I seem to remember the Hollies were already working with The Fool, who designed the cover for Evolution and for that photo they wore clothes designed by Marijke and/or Simon Posthuma of The Fool... |
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Post by cameron on Oct 28, 2020 8:57:18 GMT
Yes the Hollies debuted their psychedelic look in the UK on the Morecambe and Wise Show on the first week of March in 1967. These clothes carried them through their European tour in March until Bobby fell ill. Maybe that's where they fell down a bit because they disappeared from the public eye for almost two months. Though in May (again, before 'Sgt. Pepper') Graham was running around in his full-length kaftan in the promo video for 'Carrie Anne' and he wore it again for the heavily publicised 'Evolution' album launch party, with Allan wearing his blue shirt designed by The Fool, as worn on the album cover.
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Post by johnt on Oct 28, 2020 14:49:11 GMT
They weren't wearing their psychedelic clothes when I saw them on their March 1967 UK tour.
I distinctly remember Allan wearing a bright red suit!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 15:37:05 GMT
The author mentions them following the trend of psychedelic clothes but like everyone else isn't aware that they had them before even the Beatles did! They were appearing in psychedelic clothes as early as February/March 1967, whereas the Beatles didn't step out in full-blown psychedelia until around June AFTER Sgt. Pepper. Yes the Hollies debuted their psychedelic look in the UK on the Morecambe and Wise Show on the first week of March in 1967. I'm not sure I agree with those statements. The Beatles' clothing in the 'Strawberry Fields Forever' video (filmed at the end of January 1967) looked a tad more psychedelic than The Hollies did on 'The Morecambe and Wise Show' in March in my opinion...    ... Anyway, Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich were wearing more outrageous clothing than any of them in 1966 (the video below was filmed on 3rd November 1966): |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 15:46:55 GMT
They weren't wearing their psychedelic clothes when I saw them on their March 1967 UK tour. I distinctly remember Allan wearing a bright red suit! Here they are with drummer Tony Mansfield on March 9th 1967 (perhaps this is Allan's red suit?):  |
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Post by johnt on Oct 28, 2020 16:34:01 GMT
They weren't wearing their psychedelic clothes when I saw them on their March 1967 UK tour. I distinctly remember Allan wearing a bright red suit! Here they are with drummer Tony Mansfield on March 9th 1967 (perhaps this is Allan's red suit?): Could well be, Peter. Great photo, by the way. |
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Oct 28, 2020 16:42:37 GMT
The author mentions them following the trend of psychedelic clothes but like everyone else isn't aware that they had them before even the Beatles did! They were appearing in psychedelic clothes as early as February/March 1967, whereas the Beatles didn't step out in full-blown psychedelia until around June AFTER Sgt. Pepper. Yes the Hollies debuted their psychedelic look in the UK on the Morecambe and Wise Show on the first week of March in 1967. I'm not sure I agree with those statements. The Beatles' clothing in the 'Strawberry Fields Forever' video (filmed at the end of January 1967) looked a tad more psychedelic than The Hollies did on 'The Morecambe and Wise Show' in March in my opinion... ... Anyway, Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich were wearing more outrageous clothing than any of them in 1966 (the video was filmed on 3rd November 1966): Nah. Those gorgeous blouses that Graham and Allan are wearing are miles ahead. |
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Post by baz on Oct 28, 2020 22:23:25 GMT
Just quickly had a look at the February 1967 "Beat Beat Beat" footage and I'd say that Graham and Bernie's shirts would qualify as being psychedelic. Plus there's ruffles and large cravats on display which also ties in with psychedelia. Either way, I do think The Hollies were a bit ahead of most where it came to dressing in psych garb not to mention steering the music in that direction in their own unique way.
Hadn't seen the photo with Morecambe and Wise before which makes it all the sadder that that show no longer exists... and it was shot in colour too for the US market, the UK not getting to see them until later in the year naturally in black and white.
One thing I'm noticing with 1967 photos and footage is how Allan seemed to keep changing his hairstyle and flirted with the facial fungus!
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Oct 28, 2020 23:42:24 GMT
One thing I'm noticing with 1967 photos and footage is how Allan seemed to keep changing his hairstyle and flirted with the facial fungus! One of the great unchallenged Hollies' myths (to me) is how Graham was supposedly the restless one doing all the experimenting with fashion and music, when it seems to me that Allan was always pushing his boundaries. I guess he just did it so quietly it wasn't really noticed as much...    |
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Post by baz on Oct 29, 2020 0:16:58 GMT
Just made a minor "elevated" observation. Looking at alternate pics from the "Evolution" photo shoot, I've noticed the band's outfits and hairstyles are identical to what we see them in above on the Morecambe and Wise show which could suggest that shoot took place on the same day...
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Post by thejanitor on Oct 29, 2020 13:09:37 GMT
The Karl Ferris quote on Evolution's Wikipedia page says he took the photo in the summer of 1966. But didn't they perform On A Carousel on the M&W show which had only just been released in February '67 and recorded (with the famous LTAW doc footage) the previous month?
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Post by baz on Oct 29, 2020 14:13:39 GMT
The Karl Ferris quote on Evolution's Wikipedia page says he took the photo in the summer of 1966. But didn't they perform On A Carousel on the M&W show which had only just been released in February '67 and recorded (with the famous LTAW doc footage) the previous month? Karl Ferris must have been very wrong. The "For Certain Because" cover was taken in Autumn 1966 around the time Graham unveiled his beard. They did indeed perform "Carousel" on that show - witness the carousel set and it is possible it was filmed in February 1967 as the existing performance by The Small Faces was shot that month performing their latest single "I Can't Make It" but for some reason it wasn't broadcast in the UK until October by which time the Small Faces had moved on considerably, as the transmission sat between the releases of "Itchycoo Park" and "Tin Soldier". In The Hollies' case, their most recent single would had been "King Midas In Reverse". I've no idea why there was a long delay before the UK transmissions. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 14:54:41 GMT
The Hollies performance was taped on 3rd April 1967, then broadcast in colour in the USA as ‘Piccadilly Palace’ on 27th April 1967, and in B&W in the UK as ‘The Morecambe and Wise Show’ on 12th November 1967. It wasn't unusual for the M&W show to be taped months in advance - even The Beatles at the height of Beatlemania waited over 4 months between taping and broadcast.
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Post by sandy on Oct 30, 2020 11:22:19 GMT
One thing I'm noticing with 1967 photos and footage is how Allan seemed to keep changing his hairstyle and flirted with the facial fungus! One of the great unchallenged Hollies' myths (to me) is how Graham was supposedly the restless one doing all the experimenting with fashion and music, when it seems to me that Allan was always pushing his boundaries. I guess he just did it so quietly it wasn't really noticed as much... View AttachmentView AttachmentView Attachment And he carried on doing that throughout, didn't he? Especially after he rejoined for The Hollies 74 album onwards. He'd been recording and hanging out with rockier musicians, with the long hair and different style, and when he rejoined, he was dressing differently to the other guys,who were still very conservative 😉 And yes, certainly with his solo stuff, he was much,much more adventurous than Graham ever was!!!! |
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Oct 30, 2020 16:27:00 GMT
One of the great unchallenged Hollies' myths (to me) is how Graham was supposedly the restless one doing all the experimenting with fashion and music, when it seems to me that Allan was always pushing his boundaries. I guess he just did it so quietly it wasn't really noticed as much... View AttachmentView AttachmentView Attachment And he carried on doing that throughout, didn't he? Especially after he rejoined for The Hollies 74 album onwards. He'd been recording and hanging out with rockier musicians, with the long hair and different style, and when he rejoined, he was dressing differently to the other guys,who were still very conservative 😉 And yes, certainly with his solo stuff, he was much,much more adventurous than Graham ever was!!!! Nash: Performs at Woodstock for hundreds of thousands of people in 1969. Clarkey: Quietly drops "Soldier's Dilemma" the same year and skips merrily away...  |
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