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Post by thejanitor on May 27, 2020 15:05:41 GMT
Premiering today at 7pm (UK time) on the official YouTube channel:
I'm guessing there'll be some mixed reactions over this...
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Post by sandy on May 27, 2020 15:26:56 GMT
Premiering today at 7pm (UK time) on the official YouTube channel: I'm guessing there'll be some mixed reactions over this... ......light the fuse, and stand back.....😅😉
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Post by Tony Wilkinson on May 27, 2020 15:30:17 GMT
Premiering today at 7pm (UK time) on the official YouTube channel: I'm guessing there'll be some mixed reactions over this... ......light the fuse, and stand back.....😅😉 Wetting myself as we speak.......
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Post by baz on May 27, 2020 20:50:02 GMT
I'm guessing there'll be some mixed reactions over this... I'll simply say "no comment".
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Post by stuball on May 27, 2020 21:34:32 GMT
Mom always said if you can't say something nice, say nothing, So.....................
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Post by anthony on May 27, 2020 23:04:48 GMT
I think its great, nice to be part of the clip with other Hollies fans, great seeing you Knut, it sure brightened up my day. Think the band sounds great. Hope it will cheer a lot up, I know sadly many we not be impressed. It doesn't sound like the Hollies did in the 60's. Well done Hollies, moving with the times, great to see.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 27, 2020 23:40:19 GMT
I would think "moving with the times" means a new song as well, or at least one that's wasn't already perfectly interpreted by another singer 45 years ago. But they apparently have a certain audience in mind and it doesn't include me so meh. Enjoy.
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Post by anthony on May 27, 2020 23:53:21 GMT
I would think "moving with the times" means a new song as well, or at least one that's wasn't already perfectly interpreted by another singer 45 years ago. But they apparently have a certain audience in mind and it doesn't include me so meh. Enjoy. Hi, well the Hollies have recorded newer material in recent, most anti this line up have brushed it off. They are singing a Hollies classic , with respect with a certain audience not sure what you mean, I’ve been a fan since around 1970, I’m still part of it, people choose to continue being a fan if they like what they see, others don’t. But it amazes me how all of a sudden people wish to choose to be very anti something they once loved. It’s like they are getting old, not fashionable so no use anymore, sadly it’s how a lot of people think.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 28, 2020 0:48:13 GMT
That "something" I'm a fan of is music, not a band name no matter what, sorry. I still admire Tony and Bobby greatly. But I judged the new stuff on its own merits, as I assume you did too. You like it; I was unimpressed. That's fine. Both opinions are perfectly valid because that's the beauty of music -- it's based on personal tastes rather than objective measures.
It's been over 20 since Allan left and 16 years since Carl died, so no, it's not "all of a sudden". As a fan of Resurgence and the charity single, and taking a great interest in what Allan and Graham may accomplish if this stupid pandemic passes, my apathy to the present day lineup obviously has nothing to do with whether the members are "old" or "not fashionable" because it's obvious they aren't.
I don't mind if The Hollies go on; obviously you and other people like it. Excellent. But no, I can't say they are "moving with the times" if they are using iconic songs from the past to attract or maintain a following.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 28, 2020 1:06:27 GMT
In short this argument is....
(16 years and going strong! lmaoooo)
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Post by paul71 on May 28, 2020 5:21:12 GMT
I really liked it. No its not Clarke, Nash, Sylvester, Coates etc. But Peter sings it really nicely and considering everything the whole band are together musically.
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Post by JamesT on May 28, 2020 5:54:38 GMT
I thought it was an enjoyable enough performance. Always fascinated watching these things and seeing folk being able to play along together, hundreds (in some case, thousands) of miles apart. Loved the Stones performance for One World a few weeks ago.
And what about Mr Hicks? All dressed-up - and nowhere to go!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 6:58:08 GMT
It doesn't sound like the Hollies did in the 60's. To be fair on them, neither did the 1974 version. I quite enjoyed it, but probably won't watch it again.
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Post by gee on May 28, 2020 9:37:08 GMT
My fist thought was how old they all look now, even Tony - but I guess that applies to everyone and if you haven't seen them for a while...
It would be very easy to 'bash it' but then also very uncharitable as it's an attempt to unite people in very difficult times and they should be saluted for doing that
putting aside the fact the song is SO associated with Allan and Terry's voices in their prime way back in 1974 the performance of it was not bad at all, and as a band they sounded very together despite each being in thier own homes
I have seen groups onstage together be looser and more dis-jointed musically and vocally !
for me the high harmony sound is what isn't quite right - Steve is a decent lead vocalist / guitarist but as a high harmony singer his voice doesn't 'soar'over the overall sound like Nash / Sylvester / Coates (or Clarke on occasions) once did - I do wonder what Howarth/Hicks/Coates sounded like...
not having a go at Steve that's just my own view
I assume Terry, and a few 'usual suspects' will gleefully leap up to CRUCIFY this effort which tells you more about them than The band
I salute them for doing something to attempt to lift people during these depressing times
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Post by johnt on May 28, 2020 10:31:07 GMT
I like it but then you wouldn't expect anything different from me, would you?
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Post by sandy on May 28, 2020 10:43:17 GMT
Although the band aren't the Hollies, or "my Hollies" anymore, without Allan,in any shape or form,right now, I can't bring myself to knock them for trying to bring the "now Hollies fans" a bit of a lift.....they have their own loyal following as almost a new band..It's still Allan's song though, and no one could ever sing it like him, or indeed replicate those sublime Sylvester harmonies...... And, did anyone else notice...the key is lower.... ?or is it just me? I think that's why Tony's guitar doesn't sound quite as cutting and heartfelt?What did you hear?...it might be my imagination 😅😅
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 10:54:04 GMT
And, did anyone else notice...the key is lower.... ?or is it just me? I think that's why Tony's guitar doesn't sound quite as cutting and heartfelt?What did you hear?...it might be my imagination 😅😅 Yes, the same as the way they performed it in the '90s. Perhaps Peter's voice isn't what it was either?
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Post by thejanitor on May 28, 2020 11:07:47 GMT
They usually perform it in concert in that key (A) from what clips I've seen before.
I think I'll agree with peterc on this, it was nice to watch one time around and a decent version, but not something I'll be itching to come back to again.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 11:33:53 GMT
They usually perform it in concert in that key (A) from what clips I've seen before. Oops, you're right. It was in that key in 2006:
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Post by sandy on May 28, 2020 11:51:42 GMT
So Peter has always sung the song lower than Allan's original,and for many years, (apart from his later years with the band.) ?It sounds like it.
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Post by cameron on May 28, 2020 12:19:57 GMT
I'm pretty sure that the original is in B, but it's an odd one because the original recording is off-key. The tape must have played back a bit slow and it's stuck with the master ever since. Only a few years ago, engineer Alan Parsons elaborated that something happened with the multi-track tape and he had to manually re-sync the individual tracks up again by using a bit of varispeed, apparently nearly causing the Hollies to have to re-record it again if his trick didn't work. Thankfully it did and we have that wonderful performance on tape. Though in the same interview he criticised Allan Clarke for a tendency to "sing flat", but he'd already confirmed for me that Alan Parsons is the one who isn't pitch perfect if he could let TATIB go out on the master half a semitone too low in pitch. I've never heard Allan Clarke be off key when he was in his prime. The mid-1970s recordings of it are all in B, but by the time of 'Live Hits', they'd dropped it to A. I think this was because that 16 beat sustained note at the end of the chorus is very difficult to sing, it’s right at the top of Allan’s register, but by dropping it a key then it’s not and it’s easier for him to sing. I agree that dropping it to the key of A takes the edge off the soaring nature of the song, particularly Tony's guitar work. I'm sure Peter Howarth could sing it in its original key, but I guess the Hollies are just so used to playing it in the lower key.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 12:49:10 GMT
The oddest lowered-key recording I've heard is from 1982, where 'Carrie-Anne' is performed in 'Bb' instead of 'C'. I guess they did it so that Allan could sing the middle-eight easier, but soon afterwards they returned the song to its original key, getting Graham (and then Alan) to sing the tricky bit!
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Post by baz on May 28, 2020 13:03:41 GMT
I've always found it a little disconcerting when keys get lowered for live performances. I understand why it happens but I rarely ever enjoy hearing songs I like lowered because for me it changes the whole character and impact of the song. Classic example was the Led Zeppelin reunion in 2007 where practically every song was in a lower key to accommodate Robert Plant's aged voice and it just sounded "wrong" to my ears, the music sounded peculiar. Bryan Ferry at Glastonbury a few years back was a similar experience. Not a knock as I understand and accept how much harder it is for voices to readapt as they age but each and every time it happens, I'm much happier to stay at home and listen to the original recording.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 13:44:57 GMT
I understand why it happens but I rarely ever enjoy hearing songs I like lowered because for me it changes the whole character and impact of the song. Classic example was the Led Zeppelin reunion in 2007 where practically every song was in a lower key to accommodate Robert Plant's aged voice and it just sounded "wrong" to my ears, the music sounded peculiar. I think Led Zeppelin tuned down a semi-tone, something other bands have done (for example Slade on their otherwise great Slade On Stage album from 1982). In those cases I can tolerate it, but some of the songs The Hollies were performing in 1999 sounded very wrong, for example 'I Can't Let Go' taken down 4 steps to Eb! A lot of people criticise Macca, but at least he almost always sticks to the original keys, even when it makes for painful listening... check out Sgt. Pepper (starts at 47:14)!
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Post by cameron on May 28, 2020 14:09:34 GMT
There’s no reason why Peter Howarth can’t belt out TATIB in the original key, he has the range, but I expect it might show up the shortfall in the harmony department if they tried it...
I don’t like lowering keys either. ‘Carrie Anne’ sticks out like a sore thumb on ‘Live Hits’ for this reason. It sounds ridiculous. Surely there were enough other hits they could have chosen?!
I don’t mind them reworking a song in a new key though. I quite enjoy the Hollies’ new arrangement of ‘On A Carousel’, for example. I’ve heard some of those 1990s concert recordings and it seems to be 50/50 whether they work or not. ‘I Can’t Let Go’ in Eb instead of G is absolutely laughable. But I really enjoyed the gentle reworking of ‘Just One Look’. And some of them in their original key served to highlight Allan’s ailing voice, which to be fair, he was obviously straining by the mid-1970s, but I doubt he knew how to warm up his voice and look after it properly, which 95% of artists his age didn’t know how to do either. Tom Jones did though, and he still sounds great now. So it pays to be “boring” and look after your health and voice!
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