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Post by thejanitor on May 6, 2020 13:12:25 GMT
This should be an interesting topic, knowing how frustrating the placing of bonus tracks and non-album singles are time-wise on the widely available Japanese CD versions of Hollies albums. How would you guys go about assigning these to the correct albums? I'm also inquiring so I can make these as playlists on Spotify for myself and possibly anyone else. ☺
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Post by cameron on May 7, 2020 0:27:34 GMT
I'd be here all day trying to fix the absolute mess that is those Japanese versions of the Hollies' back catalogue. I'm absolutely amazed that they've ended up on Spotify when they previously had the proper official EMI versions since Spotify began. I've sent a few emails to Spotify to see if they can fix the issues (such as the 1970 single A-side 'Gasoline Alley Bred' appearing in the middle of the 1967 LP 'Evolution') but they're not interested.
Look at the three boxsets 'Clarke, Hicks & Nash Years', 'Changin Times' and 'Head Out of Dreams', as all these appear in chronological order of when the tracks were recorded. Using the liner notes with the recording dates, you can see which bonus material and non-album singles belong with which album. The Hollies were really prolific in the studio, so album sessions generally happened all at once with the single falling before or after the sessions for the album. They weren't like the Beatles who put in a session in April, then a few months later in July, then again in August before getting the album out in November, for example. In the case of something like the Hollies' 'Butterfly' sessions, all the tracks were recorded from August through to September and the album was released in early November. The last 'Evolution' session was in April 1967, but the single 'Carrie Anne' b/w 'Signs That Will Never Change' was recorded on the 1st/2nd May respectively, and 'Evolution' wasn't released until 1st June, so I would group that single with 'Evolution', not 'Butterfly', as there's a big three and a bit month gap between the 'Evolution' era and the 'Butterfly' era. So it's easy to see which tracks belong with which album. And that logic expands to pretty much all of their albums throughout their career, with the exception of the very sporadic 1968 sessions, which I would group them all with 'Butterfly'.
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Post by dirtyfaz on May 7, 2020 3:57:24 GMT
My thoughts about what Cameron is saying is good and I think this is what he means. My thoughts are that once an LP is issued, any track recorded after that then maybe it should be on the next album.
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Post by eric on May 7, 2020 5:24:16 GMT
I am a subscriber to Spotify and I appreciate the extensive library of music that I can access through this streaming service. I can listen to albums that I never bought but thought about buying back in the day. However, I do wonder if this specific music and the music of the era's that I love the most, being the 50’s, 60's and 70's, will always be in the Spotify library. No doubt the likes of Elvis Presley, The Beatles and The Rolling Stones will be there for many years to come but will the less successful artists and lesser known (but loved) artists be cut from their catalogue at some point in the future? This leads to the inevitable question: should one continue to purchase music for one’s use rather than rely longer term on the whims of streaming services?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 6:46:36 GMT
I've never used streaming services, and nor will I.
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Post by dirtyfaz on May 7, 2020 7:07:28 GMT
I have all my Hollies CDs copied onto my NAS in flack lossless. I use HIFICast to stream(?) via the home network. Can listen to whatever I want selecting from the tablet, phone or through my OPPO. I have copied all my CDs not just Hollies and only wish I had discovered this method several years ago. Using this I don't have to worry about quality of the streaming from Spotify etc. I can set up playlist or random if I wish. Many other options available so don't see the need for the streaming services although the kids all use it.
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Post by paul71 on May 7, 2020 7:46:23 GMT
Ive copied all of my Hollies songs to my phone, then I make playlists which is usually things like ' best of lp tracks' 'psychedelic Hollies' etc. Or just an album.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 7:48:45 GMT
Ive copied all of my Hollies songs to my phone, then I make playlists which is usually things like ' best of lp tracks' 'psychedelic Hollies' etc. Or just an album. I've never owned a smartphone either (and nor will I!).
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Post by cameron on May 7, 2020 8:22:47 GMT
I got into streaming about ten years ago because it's just so great in the car. iTunes became an absolute logistical nightmare to negotiate when adding CDs from your own library to it, so I've not had any music on my phone from my computer for many years now. Rumour has it that Apple did this on purpose to deliberately make music piracy more difficult. There's such a big variety on Spotify and even some surprising additions like the audio from some big expensive box sets that I otherwise wouldn't buy.
But at home I never listen to streaming services. When you've got a proper Hi-Fi set up and a decent turntable, nothing comes close to the sound and experience of vinyl. From when I get home to when I go to bed, the turntable is constantly spinning!
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 9:56:53 GMT
I don't drive, so I only listen to music at home. I did buy a MP3 Player about a decade ago, and both CD and cassette Walkman's long before that, but none of them got much use. I tend to quietly read (and occasionally write) when making long coach/train/boat/plane journeys.
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Post by Tony Wilkinson on May 7, 2020 10:45:03 GMT
Mine all on USB, 50+ x albums and other stuff, duplicated on another USB for safety, plays brilliantly in the car and whatever you are wanting to listen to can be found in seconds....
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Post by eric on May 7, 2020 11:04:44 GMT
Thank you all for your comments in response to my query. I can relate to each and every remark made.
I listen to mainly CD’s and the occasional vinyl LP at home and MP3s in the car. I also have WAV playlists on USBs to listen to. I don’t like the quality of the Spotify streaming sound but I tolerate it in order to check out albums that I don’t have.. This is my main reason for having Spotify.
As Cameron noted, one bonus of having Spotify is having access to rare recordings on box sets. However, the downside is that after repeat plays of a new “discovery” I quickly become unhappy with the sound quality!
My children and their friends all use Spotify and none of them seem to mind the sound quality. This is such a contrast to when I was younger when so many wanted to improve their sound systems to get the best and biggest sound that they could afford!
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Post by thejanitor on May 7, 2020 13:29:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 13:40:50 GMT
The problem with putting songs recorded around the same time with albums is that some just don't sound right. For example, the Italian-only 'We're Alive' and 'Kill Me Quick' were recorded during the 'Evolution' sessions, but they sound like they belong with 'For Certain Because' or even 'Would You Believe'. The 1968 recordings are a bit problematic too; 'Open Up Your Eyes', 'Tomorrow When It Comes' and 'Relax' go very nicely with 'Butterfly', but 'Do The Best You Can' and 'Man With No Expression' perhaps belong with 'Hollies Sing Dylan'...
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 7, 2020 14:13:22 GMT
Tried Spotify for a week...Too many songs I couldn't find or were replaced by rerecordings or remixes and I got peed off.
I put up with iTunes. Don't drive so don't need to take music anywhere, except the stuff already in my head!
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Post by dirtyfaz on May 8, 2020 2:13:20 GMT
I don't own any item starting with I (everyone else in the family does have the I stuff). Always had a problem with the way they control and monitor. Sure Android/Google are pretty much the same but using music on their devices aren't as controlled as stuff starting with I. My biggest issue with streaming is the quality of the download. The Aural quality of music in the future has has been destroyed by the quality most people seem to think is ok and no doubt it will become the norm.
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