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Post by sandy on Sept 21, 2020 17:51:51 GMT
So Terry doing a Beatlesfest event......π€
httpss://twitter.com/Beatles_Fest/status/1307699521183518721?s=20
And Peter Haworth has new album out..
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Sept 21, 2020 20:26:43 GMT
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Sept 22, 2020 1:53:07 GMT
So Terry doing a Beatlesfest event......π€ httpss://twitter.com/Beatles_Fest/status/1307699521183518721?s=20 And Peter Haworth has new album out.. Why does that cover look like the US album He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother? Why do I feel as if Howarth is "that guy" who would annoy me simply by breathing? I know I'm not being rational here, but, ack.
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Post by The Dude on Oct 7, 2020 16:25:23 GMT
So Terry's at it again...
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Post by madprofessorblyth on Oct 7, 2020 17:21:18 GMT
"...one of my hits 'The Air That I Breathe'..."
I, just as anyone else on the forum, could say SO much about such a statement...but at this point what difference does it make, he'll never see or understand...!! This kind of nonsense does nothing except lift his own ego and frustrate us fans. Just sad...!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 17:55:40 GMT
Does Cliff feature his old backing vocalist on his version?
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Post by JamesT on Oct 7, 2020 18:13:57 GMT
So Terry's at it again... The man is a complete @rse.
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Post by baz on Oct 7, 2020 20:29:04 GMT
Oh dear... here we go again! How much lower can Terry go? Always gotta get them digs in at Allan and Graham as hey, it's always THEIR fault!
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Post by dirtyfaz on Oct 7, 2020 21:44:15 GMT
In defense of no one here but
American politics are such a divide & Why isn't it one of his hits. He was a member of the Hollies and features on the recording. If Allan said it was one of his hits would everyone jump on him?
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Post by anthony on Oct 7, 2020 22:28:20 GMT
In defense of no one here but American politics are such a divide & Why isn't it one of his hits. He was a member of the Hollies and features on the recording. If Allan said it was one of his hits would everyone jump on him? Have to agree, he was a Hollie and they had a hit with this song, so he has said nothing wrong. Don't agree with how he always seems the need to have a go at others especially Graham and Allan. The sad part haven't heard any of them have a word against Terry, In Allan's recent pod cast he spoke highly of Terry, showed what class is all about.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Oct 7, 2020 23:27:25 GMT
We know the others would never say "my hit". The Hollies were always about the band first.
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Oct 8, 2020 1:42:47 GMT
Post by dirtyfaz on Oct 8, 2020 1:42:47 GMT
We don't actually know that.
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Post by Tony Wilkinson on Oct 8, 2020 7:46:37 GMT
Grahams political stance offends me far more than Terry's musical claims.....
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Oct 8, 2020 8:29:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 8:29:19 GMT
We don't actually know that. I think we do... As for his politics, I personally don't give a damn. But, whether they're Terry or Graham or whoever, they automatically alienate a sizeable segment of their fans with their ramblings.
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Oct 8, 2020 9:05:16 GMT
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Post by dirtyfaz on Oct 8, 2020 9:05:16 GMT
We actually don't.
Does Allan say Long Cool Woman is his hit?
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Post by baz on Oct 8, 2020 9:11:09 GMT
We don't actually know that. I think we do... As for his politics, I personally don't give a damn. But, whether they're Terry or Graham or whoever, they automatically alienate a sizeable segment of their fans with their ramblings. Agreed. Look at what happened with Eric Haydock being billed as "Eric Haydock's Hollies" which implied that HE was "The Hollies"... the real Hollies took legal action. The Hollies were always and remain professional - Allan, Tony and Bobby always speak and refers to The Hollies as an entity, even Graham. None of this arrogant "MY hit" drivel - they wouldn't stoop so low.
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Post by gee on Oct 8, 2020 10:16:03 GMT
The real point here is that Terry is so desperate for acclaim and to try to keep some public profile importance now he NEEDS to push himself by saying 'MY Hit'
- I suspect all the (probably alcohol fuelled) nasty online rants against Allan, Bobby but most chiefly his blasts directed at Graham Nash (Sir Paul McCartney and Sir Elton John too) are in truth just an attempt to try to hold on to the coat tails of other more better known (stateside) music figures by trying to ram home his 'association' with them....while Nash hardly ever mentions Terry and Clarkey actually praises him up tho' Bobby seems to have very little time for 'sylvester' who fell into the trap and was gone...
- hence Terry is always going on about the REAL Hollies as opposed to the "FAKE" Hollies - which is a laugh in retrospect as, while Terry was SO important in the 'mark 2' Hollies of course...the 'REAL' Hollies had notched up 18 UK chart hit singles and a number of chart albums including the chart topping 'Hollies Greatest' in 1968 BEFORE he ever entered the picture in their story...and he OWES his career to Allan, Graham and Eric forming the band plus also to Tony and Bobby boosting it into a major chart force...
a further irony being that Terry was not even a member of the hit making Swinging Blue Jeans !
as a 'new boy' himself once he really should know better than to keep insulting those who are now entertaining the public with Hollies older hits (something he himself regularly is also doing...) and trying to maintain his public profile by ungratefully biting the hands that once lifted him up to have a major music career and become a rock and roll hall of fame inductee....
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Post by dirtyfaz on Oct 8, 2020 10:23:44 GMT
Sorry folks. I didn't intend to wind up the Terry dislike stuff again.
I just don't happen to see anything wrong with him saying it was his hit. He most certainly played on it.
Does Terry claim the SBJ Good Golly Miss Molly as his hit?
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Post by sandy on Oct 8, 2020 10:36:52 GMT
In defense of no one here but American politics are such a divide & Why isn't it one of his hits. He was a member of the Hollies and features on the recording. If Allan said it was one of his hits would everyone jump on him? I think it's the arrogance and ego centric nature that comes through here. Allan has never once referred to the hits as ' his', only ever 'we', or ' the Hollies ' had hits...... difference being, he's a true gentππ.....in my humble opinion π
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Post by gee on Oct 8, 2020 10:47:11 GMT
It's not any Terry 'dislike' as such - MOST if not all Hollies fans would LOVE to have the 'proud to be a Hollie' Terry Sylvester of the late sixties / early to mid seventies back onboard with us - the guy who pushed HIS band and happily praised up 'Evolution' as one of his fav Hollies albums in a radio interview and could rightly refer to them as 'MY Hits' then (even the earlier hits he sang in concert so well)...
but after alienating himself so much and so often with many Hollies fans by making very unkind and ungracious insults at his former band mates and one time friends (to whom as I said he really owes his proud music career) I think by now many people's regard for Terry TODAY has slipped so far...so that when after having a childish blast at former friends he then tries to take ALL credit for a hit THEY were so much a part of...it rankles with Hollies fans
While Terry's high harmony and co-lead duet was so vital...the fact is take away Allan Clarke's lead voice...and Tony Hicks guitar intro and solo (that Eric Clapton so admired)...what would 'The Air That I Breathe' have sounded like minus those key components back in 1974...eh Terry ?
True Terry did not write 'Good Golly Miss Molly'....or 'The Air That I Breathe' either
Terry equally did not write...or was even on the 1971 recording...of 'Long Cool Woman' either - but that didn't stop him trying to effectively 'steal' Clarkey's song for himself did it...??
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Post by baz on Oct 8, 2020 12:23:47 GMT
While Terry's high harmony and co-lead duet was so vital...the fact is take away Allan Clarke's lead voice...and Tony Hicks guitar intro and solo (that Eric Clapton so admired)...what would 'The Air That I Breathe' have sounded like minus those key components back in 1974...eh Terry ? Amen!
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Post by dirtyfaz on Oct 8, 2020 12:43:13 GMT
In the words of ABBA "On & On & On" we go
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Post by stuball on Oct 8, 2020 13:15:50 GMT
Grahams political stance offends me far more than Terry's musical claims..... You're not alone on that score.
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Post by cameron on Oct 8, 2020 14:27:06 GMT
I have hand on heart NEVER heard any of the other guys call a song "mine", its always "ours". Even when Allan Clarke talks of 'Long Cool Woman', he still says "WE had a hit with it", even when he talks of the awkward situation how it ended up being a hit once he left the group. I actually think this was a bit of an in-joke with the band, as they'd often introduce it on stage as "Allan sang it, Allan wrote it, Allan played guitar on it" as if they were making light of perceived ego issues at the time. Ironically, it was often Terry who said that introduction to it back in the 1970s...
The Hollies have always been terrible at taking credit for things they did well individually or collectively. We still don't have a definitive answer for just what songs Allan and Graham played guitar on, despite lots of photos of them in the studio BOTH playing acoustic guitars. Bobby will sometimes take credit for an arrangement, but he's quick to praise other contributions to a song or dismisses his arrangement as being a small part of the overall song. It was almost pitiful watching Tony explain his guitar solos as "fluffing about" on the LTAW documentary - possibly the least egotistical guitarist you'll ever come across!
So in that respect, I do have an issue with Terry claiming 'The Air That I Breathe' as HIS, because we all know that it's Allan's voice, Tony's soulful guitar and Bobby's cavernous drum fills that form such a huge part of that song as well. It's a group effort.
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Post by madprofessorblyth on Oct 8, 2020 17:48:39 GMT
Hope I didn't start something by adding my two cents yesterday... however, seeing as it's come up, I'd just point out:
I've never seen or heard Allan take singular credit for LCW, however if he wanted to, I would certainly give him the right - he did co-write it, he did give to the Hollies (for all we know, the Cook/Greenaway side could've ended up using it, if it was such a throwaway to the Hollies!), and he played all of the guitars and did those famous vocals. He was determined to get the guitars just right to the point of Tony giving up...! If Allan ever decided to say it was his song, I doubt anyone could hold it against him. Of course, as Allan and the rest of us know, no member of the Hollies however can take credit for it being a gigantic stateside hit, which none of them were directly responsible for. Just a convenient circumstance...!
However, 'The Air That I Breathe' is not a Hollies original, a song they ostensibly found through Phil Everly - and picked out by Tony at the publisher's office. Recorded, as far as we know, with equal enthusiasm for the track from all members and Ron Richards. I could be wrong, but I'd assume the arrangement of the track was Tony's or Ron's as the case usually went in the post-Graham era. As with just about any powerhouse Hollies song, the iconic parts of the song reside with Allan's vocals. I do love Terry's vocal contributions to the track and of course he is on it, but considering all of that information, I can't think that the high-harmony vocalist/rhythm guitarist is the one who can take credit for it as "his" track. Just for examples' sake, I could never think any member of Herman's Hermits that isn't Peter Noone considering "I'm Henry The VIII, I Am" as "my song"...
We all have different opinions on here and I totally respect that, but I hope at least by remembering the information and circumstances behind the tracks we're discussing my point makes some logical reasoning...! Of course, I hold nothing against anyone in this hoopla except Terry, whose bitter and divisive mumbling through the cell phone is responsible for all this, as it has been since 2011...
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