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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Aug 5, 2020 20:51:51 GMT
Just found this website by chance...1960smusicmagazines.com which has the full issues of this magazine called Beat, geared to music-loving musicians, from the looks of it. Just discovered it, so don't know what else I'll find!
Tried to do a screenshot of this article about a dude named "Bern" joining the Hollies from November 1966, but the files are all too big to share...so here's the link to one issue:
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Aug 5, 2020 21:20:40 GMT
I wish I could find a way to zoom in on this cover from the 28 Sept 1968 issue of Record Mirror, but nope. The timing of the article is interesting...Allan was discussing the new single, "Listen To Me" and having a new album out in a month...oops.  |
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Post by sandy on Aug 5, 2020 21:53:05 GMT
I wish I could find a way to zoom in on this cover from the 28 Sept 1968 issue of Record Mirror, but nope. The timing of the article is interesting...Allan was discussing the new single, "Listen To Me" and having a new album out in a month...oops. View AttachmentIt's readable, thanks😉 Interesting! |
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Post by thejanitor on Aug 5, 2020 22:45:22 GMT
Thanks for the heads up on this site - I think they made a mistake by saying Bernie plays organ on Stop Stop Stop though! 😏 That aside, I love looking through all the vintage advertisements and gear and enjoyed the Ringo and Steve Marriott articles too ☺ There's also mention of Haydock's Rockhouse in the Recording Notes section a bit later on.
On the '68 article: Allan says about a new LP hopefully being out before Christmas. I'm guessing around this time they were having a final go at trying to assemble a studio album out of that bunch of loose tracks (Man With No Expression, Marrakesh Express, Relax etc.) before settling on making the Dylan album instead?
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Aug 5, 2020 23:14:58 GMT
Thanks for the heads up on this site - I think they made a mistake by saying Bernie plays organ on Stop Stop Stop though! 😏 That aside, I love looking through all the vintage advertisements and gear and enjoyed the Ringo and Steve Marriott articles too ☺ There's also mention of Haydock's Rockhouse in the Recording Notes section a bit later on. On the '68 article: Allan says about a new LP hopefully being out before Christmas. I'm guessing around this time they were having a final go at trying to assemble a studio album out of that bunch of loose tracks (Man With No Expression, Marrakesh Express, Relax etc.) before settling on making the Dylan album instead? Yeah I saw the mention of Haydock's Rockhouse. Jog my memory -- what happened with that?
I found it telling that Allan was doing the talking, pumping the single, rather than the usual spokesperson who was probably busy with "other things".
Also thought it was adorable seeing a rock star in 1968 say "Good Lord!" But I have a 90-year-old dad with the worst pottymouth on the planet, so...  |
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Post by thejanitor on Aug 5, 2020 23:53:36 GMT
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Post by sandy on Aug 6, 2020 7:59:06 GMT
I wish I could find a way to zoom in on this cover from the 28 Sept 1968 issue of Record Mirror, but nope. The timing of the article is interesting...Allan was discussing the new single, "Listen To Me" and having a new album out in a month...oops. View AttachmentThere's that word ' business' again!!! After they were stung financially maybe, they tightened up and it would definitely seem it was indeed a ' business', for them,( or maybe certain members), which seemed to include not taking risks at that point. Choosing other people's songs for hit guarantee ,rather than risk their own material. Not wanting Beatles type of success or highest profile. I think ultimately that's maybe part of the reason for Allan's departures each time .He seems to be the spirited one, artistically, and certainly Bob and Tony carry on the business priority to this day. |
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Post by sandy on Aug 6, 2020 10:56:35 GMT
Just found this website by chance...1960smusicmagazines.com which has the full issues of this magazine called Beat, geared to music-loving musicians, from the looks of it. Just discovered it, so don't know what else I'll find!
Tried to do a screenshot of this article about a dude named "Bern" joining the Hollies from November 1966, but the files are all too big to share...so here's the link to one issue:
🤪😂Just a warning...it may just be me, but there are some ' interesting' pop ups around on this site....🤪 |
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Post by baz on Aug 6, 2020 12:12:56 GMT
On the '68 article: Allan says about a new LP hopefully being out before Christmas. I'm guessing around this time they were having a final go at trying to assemble a studio album out of that bunch of loose tracks (Man With No Expression, Marrakesh Express, Relax etc.) before settling on making the Dylan album instead? I very much doubt it. It is interesting what Allan said but I think he was simply buying time, pushing out some positive PR to hide the fact that Graham was leaving the band and trying to keep up the impression that all was well within The Hollies. At that stage, Graham had handed in his notice then flew off to the States to get CSN started leaving the band stranded in the UK unable to promote their new single. The decision had already been taken to do the Dylan album as they recorded the backing tracks whilst Graham was out the country. What they actually had of "original" material in the can during 1968 was a ragbag of oddments, some of it unfinished and definitely not enough for a full Clarke-Hicks-Nash album. I presume they began searching for Graham's replacement and the chance of appeasing Graham to quickly cut a few new tracks with him were low. We recently saw the 1969 interview posted here with Allan where he admitted Graham's departure caused him panic and uncertainty so Allan would have been feeling that way as he tried to plug "Listen To Me". He does make some good points about the "failure" of "King Midas" and that seemed to put an end to certain plans. Let's also not forget that EMI would have been breathing down their backs as they were expecting a new album or two from them. The sessions starting the follow up to "Butterfly" came to a halt, the live show was recorded for an album but the band rejected it hence out came "Hollies Greatest" to fill a gap which would have bought some extra time in the hope they'd get a new album completed by the end of 1968 but Graham's departure and refusal to be involved with the Dylan project put paid to that. I do think Allan was probably right when he said in that Reelin documentary that Graham's departure was the end of The Hollies for him - or something to that effect. He kept it up as well as possible during 1969 to 1971 but was getting unhappier then when he quit, that gave all power to Tony Hicks and Bobby Elliott and whilst he returned twice over, I think things were never the same for him. Ray Davies of The Kinks has stated that when bassist Pete Quaife left in early 1969, The Kinks were never the same highlighting that Pete had been there since day one and losing an original member changed the entire dynamic and feel of the band and I think that hit Allan the hardest when Graham left, provoking similar feelings, made worse by the fact he'd known Graham for over 20 years by then. |
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Aug 6, 2020 15:54:06 GMT
Just found this website by chance...1960smusicmagazines.com which has the full issues of this magazine called Beat, geared to music-loving musicians, from the looks of it. Just discovered it, so don't know what else I'll find!
Tried to do a screenshot of this article about a dude named "Bern" joining the Hollies from November 1966, but the files are all too big to share...so here's the link to one issue:
🤪😂Just a warning...it may just be me, but there are some ' interesting' pop ups around on this site....🤪 Oh I have all the pop-up blockers installed! No worries! |
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Post by thejanitor on Nov 15, 2020 20:32:16 GMT
In response to Baz's post, I just came across this clip of audio featuring Bobby and Bernie being interviewed on TOTP promoting Listen To Me. Bobby briefly talks about a week of recording going towards a new album. It seems to be from around the same time as the Allan article, so I'm guessing this too was the same kind of positive PR?
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Post by gee on Nov 15, 2020 21:44:43 GMT
They were a bit all over the place in 1968
They had started to attempt a follow up to 'Butterfly' but then diverted into seeing a possible live album hence recording the Lewisham Odeon performance in May 1968
it was even mooted that both Graham Nash and Bernie Calvert were to do very differing solo albums then tho' of course neither project ever happened - presumably Nash's more personalised songs and Calvert's orchestrated instrumental works neither being in typical 'Hollies' style...
Allan was quoted saying;
'Graham was writing too many songs we just couldn't use...'
studio wise they were rehashing 1966 songs like 'A Taste of Honey' with Mike Vickers accompaniment plus of course did 'Blowin' and a revisit of 'Like Everytime Before'
Bobby says he got them to compose a final team song 'Survival of The Fittest' the lyrics of which seem telling if the girl performer in the song actually related to Graham...
EMI putting out the UK chart topping 'Hollies Greatest' which they had a better interest in hence some LP inner cover promotion was in Nash's eyes not only confirmation of the end of an era but also firmly re-established the 'pop group' image right down to them all posed around a rocking horse in the cover photo
Nash's suggested move into cabaret with bow ties, tuxedos, then the white suits mis-fired somewhat as it only really further distanced them from the youth audience at a crucial end of the decade looming time just as a big chasm between pop music and so called 'serious' album orientated music opened and quickly widened...
the fact the most interesting and musically adventurous songs they did cut in 1968 were either wasted as 'B' sides, left unissued or given away to a world wildlife fund charity LP the following year is so telling
effectively besides the singles that both charted that year by 1968 the band had almost faded away in many respects so it's no great surprise Hicks came up with the 'Dylan' project to try to reunify them by turning to their oldest group skill of making others works into 'Hollies style' songs
Fascinating then that at first Graham Nash was NOT horrified by the idea of 'Singing Dylan' at all...he'd quite happily done that since 1966 and in 1968 at Lewisham Odeon even singing lead on the closing verse of 'Times They Are A Changing'...while Crosby's old band The Byrds of course had been Dylan regular coverers
(CBS even compiled such a set for an LP later on)
It was the big band swing on 'Blowin' and quite likely the rag time take on 'When The Ship Comes In' that would have ended Nash's agreement to be involved in any capacity...plus it looked like a backwards step re the originality (tho' arguably most of the covers were actually quite imaginative takes on Dylan's often skelental song structures)
but dressed in all white going 'Blo-blo-blowin...' must have embarressed the hell out of Nash when his American buddies were being so laid back and into counter culture then
so any Hollies studio album in 1968 seems to have been a no hoper and while an interesting 'lost' 1968 album of tracks can be assembled from the fragments really by that time the 'mark one' Hollies with Nash had pretty much run their course...
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