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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Apr 23, 2020 19:50:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 20:20:01 GMT
Looks like the same documentary that was released on DVD in 2011 (essential viewing unless you're a Sylvester/Rickfors fanatic!).
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Apr 23, 2020 21:14:28 GMT
Cripes that's 9 years ago. The tweet was from yesterday. Oh well, looks like it's only on US Amazon Prime anyway...Thanks Peter.
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Post by albatros on May 1, 2020 11:42:26 GMT
Hi! It`s the same as released from REELIN IN THE YEARS. Sorry, no new one with new clips.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 1, 2020 14:58:46 GMT
Thanks for the confirmation, Albatros. Don't think I've seen it, that being said. But "new to me" is usually pretty "old news" to everyone else.  |
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 2, 2020 2:41:03 GMT
Oh, found it online for free! Watched it tonight. Learned not much, it cut off way too early, just hammered home the thesis that they were only a singles band, and left out chunks (but thanks for including "Wings"). Still, it was a fun watch. But just compelled me to go listen to "Headroom" afterwards. tubitv.com/movies/468365/the_hollies_look_through_any_window_1963_1975 |
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Post by stuball on May 2, 2020 13:35:37 GMT
Memorable for some great video footage, or if you wondered what Graham Nash was up to, before he got 'really big'. But to many Hollies fans, myself included, hoping against hope for a balanced view of the group's ups and downs, ultimately very disappointing.
Should have perhaps been marketed under the title, 'Graham Nash: The Early Years'.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 14:08:43 GMT
Should have perhaps been marketed under the title, 'Graham Nash: The Early Years'. Or 'The Hollies: The Important Years'!  Seriously, I love it myself. |
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Post by cameron on May 2, 2020 15:27:38 GMT
I loved this documentary. Loads of new footage came to light through it, getting the full 'On A Carousel' segment was amazing, along with the pristine quality rendition of 'Amazing Grace' acapella over the credits. I couldn't believe what I was hearing at the time, it really moved me.
The interviews were great - to see them all together on camera was fantastic. I expect they were limited on the overall run time of the documentary, and the Hollies have way more hits than most to pack in. That tends to lead to a few things getting overlooked. I think they should have interviewed Terry and I would have been happy to forfeit some of the rarer/obscure tracks for covering 'Gasoline Alley Bred' and 'I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top'. The documentary was very much from the American perspective.
It all got spoilt for me when I wrote to RITY to ask about the footage they listed on their website of the complete colour Hollies concert from 1971. I got the rudest response imaginable from the top man himself, David Peck, who effectively told me to go away and "there's no money in the Hollies" and he went on a directionless rant about how this documentary barely made him any money. So they are sitting on the complete 'Don't Get Sunburnt' special from 1971 (in colour too, it was only broadcast in B&W) and have no intentions of ever letting anyone see it.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 2, 2020 15:47:01 GMT
Oh Amazing Grace was lovely! And I did find the On A Carousel recording bit fascinating.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 17:19:51 GMT
I loved this documentary. Loads of new footage came to light through it, getting the full 'On A Carousel' segment was amazing, along with the pristine quality rendition of 'Amazing Grace' acapella over the credits. I couldn't believe what I was hearing at the time, it really moved me. The interviews were great - to see them all together on camera was fantastic. I expect they were limited on the overall run time of the documentary, and the Hollies have way more hits than most to pack in. That tends to lead to a few things getting overlooked. I think they should have interviewed Terry and I would have been happy to forfeit some of the rarer/obscure tracks for covering 'Gasoline Alley Bred' and 'I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top'. The documentary was very much from the American perspective. It all got spoilt for me when I wrote to RITY to ask about the footage they listed on their website of the complete colour Hollies concert from 1971. I got the rudest response imaginable from the top man himself, David Peck, who effectively told me to go away and "there's no money in the Hollies" and he went on a directionless rant about how this documentary barely made him any money. So they are sitting on the complete 'Don't Get Sunburnt' special from 1971 (in colour too, it was only broadcast in B&W) and have no intentions of ever letting anyone see it. Terry perhaps would've been involved if it weren't for his behavior at a certain induction ceremony the year previously... Great though these documentaries are, David Peck never quite got things right. As well as the songs above, I would've included 'Yes I Will' (nice footage from 'Hullabaloo' survives), and also 1 or 2 songs from the Rickfors years. The biggest error though was on the Gerry and The Pacemakers documentary; this only covered the years 1963 to 1965, yet there is some truly stunning surviving colour footage of the band performing 'Girl On A Swing' in 1966, their last significant recording (and a big Canadian hit) prior to the band splitting. |
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 2, 2020 17:27:15 GMT
As was "Walk Hand In Hand"...#10 nationally but only #103 on Billboard. (Yes, I'm that nerd)
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 17:34:19 GMT
As was "Walk Hand In Hand"...#10 nationally but only #103 on Billboard. (Yes, I'm that nerd) Indeed! Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that no contemporary footage of the band performing the song survives... This is the ONLY pro footage I've ever seen of the song: |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 17:37:33 GMT
And here's 'Girl On A Swing' (which SHOULD have closed the Gerry and The Pacemakers documentary!). Note how Gerry's only compromise to changing fashions in November 1966 was a red shirt!
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 2, 2020 17:42:52 GMT
I remember that song.  |
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Post by baz on May 2, 2020 17:53:10 GMT
And here's 'Girl On A Swing' (which SHOULD have closed the Gerry and The Pacemakers documentary!). Note how Gerry's only compromise to changing fashions in November 1966 was a red shirt! I was shocked when that surfaced a year or two ago... I couldn't believe that the other members looked exactly the same as they did in 1963. Very square. That first shot amuses me with the bass being strummed to cover the guitar part! |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 18:11:05 GMT
And here's 'Girl On A Swing' (which SHOULD have closed the Gerry and The Pacemakers documentary!). Note how Gerry's only compromise to changing fashions in November 1966 was a red shirt! I was shocked when that surfaced a year or two ago... I couldn't believe that the other members looked exactly the same as they did in 1963. Very square. That first shot amuses me with the bass being strummed to cover the guitar part! In a way I quite admire him for the fact that he knew his limitations. Can you imagine Gerry Marsden wearing a frock and singing about marmalade skies and lemonade lakes?! It's amazing though that NONE of the Mersey Beat acts (with one obvious exception) managed to truly adapt with the times, whereas even Herman's Hermits, DC5 and Brian Poole's old backing band continued having chart success until the start of the '70s. |
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Post by JamesT on May 2, 2020 18:48:58 GMT
I was shocked when that surfaced a year or two ago... I couldn't believe that the other members looked exactly the same as they did in 1963. Very square. That first shot amuses me with the bass being strummed to cover the guitar part! Can you imagine Gerry Marsden wearing a frock and singing about marmalade skies and lemonade lakes?! The one and only time I saw Gerry and the Pacemakers as they were in 'modern times' was just over 10 years ago on a 'Gerry Cross The Mersey' tour when the bassist was none other than Garth Watt-Roy (co-writer of 'Magic Woman Touch'). Gerry's stage patter, was, well let's just say not very 'PC'. Enjoyable show for sure musically-speaking, but I thought I'd dropped into witnessing a 70s comedian's repertoire at times. He was a lovely bloke to speak to afterwards, and I had my Reelin' In The Years GATP DVD signed by him. Sadly I didn't get the opportunity to speak to Garth who left the band a while thereafter. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 18:58:16 GMT
Saw Gerry in 1988, and found him a little mediocre (and I was also annoyed that he threw away both 'How Do You Do It' and 'I'm The One' as part of a 3 or 4 song medley). I saw him again twice 2 years ago (the year he retired). First time he was a little unsteady on his feet but otherwise really excellent, singing and playing with enthusiasm. Then I saw him on the '60s Gold' tour, and he was grumpy (and possibly a little drunk), also making several glaring mistakes which he blamed the band for. Sadly I've never met him. Agreed about the humour, and at the first 2018 show he was supported by an ageing Scouse comedian who would've sounded un-PC 40 years ago (at first I thought it was a parody!).
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Post by baz on May 2, 2020 19:42:03 GMT
I was shocked when that surfaced a year or two ago... I couldn't believe that the other members looked exactly the same as they did in 1963. Very square. That first shot amuses me with the bass being strummed to cover the guitar part! In a way I quite admire him for the fact that he knew his limitations. Can you imagine Gerry Marsden wearing a frock and singing about marmalade skies and lemonade lakes?! It's amazing though that NONE of the Mersey Beat acts (with one obvious exception) managed to truly adapt with the times, whereas even Herman's Hermits, DC5 and Brian Poole's old backing band continued having chart success until the start of the '70s. lol... I would argue that The Searchers managed to keep up musically with the times over the duration of their Pye years. Their 1967 singles definitely fitted into the times well but failed to sell... the 1966 singles were fine and I much prefer their Hollies cover to the Ryan's bombastic histrionics! Image wise, I think Mike Pender was probably the last to brush his hair forward - think even Cliff beat him to it by a few months! Gerry and co, Christ, "La La La" makes me wince in embarrassment... the first four bars are promising but after that... way too anachronistic and twee hailing their death knell. Brian Epstein knew there was only one solution - groom Gerry for a solo career and that did pay off but not as a solo chart artiste! |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 21:45:53 GMT
Yes, The Searchers showed good potential. It's a shame they stopped recording/releasing albums for so long after 1965. I also like some of The Swinging Blue Jeans' Terry Sylvester era-material, though other songs were a waste of time (a 1966 cover of 'This Boy'!). Cliff looked cool with his brushed forward hair... here he is in 1968 (with a 1963 John Lennon haircut), deputising for an ill Brian Bennett in The Shadows.  |
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Post by thejanitor on May 3, 2020 15:54:55 GMT
I absolutely love Gerry & The Pacemakers, but I sadly think the reason for their split was they got to 1966, saw the oncoming psychedelic scene and didn't have much of an idea to how they would cross over into it and retain relevancy. It hurts me to criticize them as I adore their songs, but in the three years prior, they hadn't really progressed too far beyond Merseybeat, with maybe the exception of the odd orchestral track. Meanwhile, their contemporaries like The Beatles and The Hollies in that time had been experimenting with folk, world and other sounds new to rock music to great acclaim, pretty much leaving them in the dark.
Having said that though, I do have a large soft spot for the couple of singles Gerry went on to record solo in the late 60s. He made the foray into baroque-pop and the results sound much more of their time, but unfortunately, I don't think any of these releases charted very well or at all. Here are two of my favourites, his cover of The Bee Gees' "Gilbert Green" from 1967 and the ballad "In The Year of April" from '68:
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 17:06:38 GMT
They're both fabulous! I really love Gerry and The Pacemakers too (they emerge better than most from my recent 'Let's Stomp!' book, where I particularly praise their superb first album).
I thought their final US-only single was a step in the right direction:
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