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Post by Tony Wilkinson on Jan 2, 2020 9:49:52 GMT
This just emerged......
And maybe a clearer version of 'For the peace of all mankind'
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Post by thejanitor on Jan 2, 2020 22:09:40 GMT
My, what are those sets?! 😂 Other than that, great finds! 👍😊
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Post by JamesT on Jan 3, 2020 9:00:04 GMT
Interesting videos, but not a fan of this stuff which I find rather schmaltzy. He recorded much better solo material.
Still, more entertaining than his Twitter tosh. I see he's continuing to have a pop at Nash and the current band. And now the Pope.
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Post by cameron on Jan 3, 2020 12:05:39 GMT
Hasn’t Terry been at the end of the line for some considerable time now?
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Post by calvertbesseralseric on Jan 3, 2020 21:08:38 GMT
Unfortunately sentimental crap. Only ever really liked his solo versions of Hollies tracks like Indian Girl, but there's very little else that appeals to me at all.
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Post by cameron on Jan 3, 2020 21:49:03 GMT
To be fair, he probably picked the two worst songs from his solo LP which I think otherwise is quite good. I especially like his cover of the Stevie Wonder song “I Believe” and the re-cut of “Cable Car”
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Post by moorlock2003 on Jan 4, 2020 12:16:10 GMT
Terry Sylvester.....a Rock and Roller at heart. Never mind the foray into MOR. Who cares when he looks so damn good. Rock Star!
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Post by Gralto on Jan 4, 2020 13:28:27 GMT
I so much prefer TS solo when he uses his more rocking voice ala Too Bad Lucy Jane.
Actually all his 1978 material - both 45s - are quite strong.
But strewth, director of Supersonic Mike Mansfield giving Terry absolutely nothing to do on that camera crane for End of the Line, consigned a poor choice for 45 A-Side to an even quicker death.
I'll need to check but that For The Peace For All Mankind vocal sounds suspiciously different to the version on the LPs - Cam/DirtyFaz - any comments on this for the benefit of others? Vocal sounds double tracked and better produced than on the disc.
Nevertheless, that chintzy production with the grating choral backing also gave this highly commercial melody no chance. A much stronger lead vocalist may also have taken this one into the charts but ultimately, for all of TS's undoubted talents, vocally he takes this song absolutely nowhere. It's the same performance from start to finish. You want him to bring it home with some big notes or show some passion but he delivers neither. A shame as it's the sort of song that, even if moderately successful, could have been something for him to hang his hat on in his solo years. As far as I can tell, it never gets a look in at any set he does.
And like Moorlock says, TS probably never looked better than in the mid 70s, when he arguably surpassed Hicks in the "hottest Hollie" stakes! (expecting some comments on this one...!)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 15:45:11 GMT
I'll need to check but that For The Peace For All Mankind vocal sounds suspiciously different to the version on the LPs - Cam/DirtyFaz - any comments on this for the benefit of others? Vocal sounds double tracked and better produced than on the disc. As far as I can recall, ALL 'Supersonic' performances were either mimed to rerecorded tracks or were completely live.
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Post by moorlock2003 on Jan 4, 2020 16:48:21 GMT
I so much prefer TS solo when he uses his more rocking voice ala Too Bad Lucy Jane. Actually all his 1978 material - both 45s - are quite strong. But strewth, director of Supersonic Mike Mansfield giving Terry absolutely nothing to do on that camera crane for End of the Line, consigned a poor choice for 45 A-Side to an even quicker death. I'll need to check but that For The Peace For All Mankind vocal sounds suspiciously different to the version on the LPs - Cam/DirtyFaz - any comments on this for the benefit of others? Vocal sounds double tracked and better produced than on the disc. Nevertheless, that chintzy production with the grating choral backing also gave this highly commercial melody no chance. A much stronger lead vocalist may also have taken this one into the charts but ultimately, for all of TS's undoubted talents, vocally he takes this song absolutely nowhere. It's the same performance from start to finish. You want him to bring it home with some big notes or show some passion but he delivers neither. A shame as it's the sort of song that, even if moderately successful, could have been something for him to hang his hat on in his solo years. As far as I can tell, it never gets a look in at any set he does. And like Moorlock says, TS probably never looked better than in the mid 70s, when he arguably surpassed Hicks in the "hottest Hollie" stakes! (expecting some comments on this one...!) The Hicks/Sylvester/Rickfors lineup was the best-looking IMO. Clarke certainly had a suave look about him, especially during the Nash era, but I'll go with the younger Rickfors over Clarke in the looks department. So did US writer Janis Schacht. Commenting on this when meeting the band in 1972, Schacht was quoted in Circus magazine as saying Rickfors' looks were "unbelievable".
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Post by Stranger on Jan 4, 2020 17:34:36 GMT
Genuinely thought this thread title was referring to Terry on Twitter, who seems particularly off the wall these days!
Funny you call out Too Bad Lucy Jane, Simon. It's always been one of my favourites with a Rod Stewart-esque vocal! He does a fine job on I Believe too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 17:54:34 GMT
The Hicks/Sylvester/Rickfors lineup was the best-looking IMO.Perhaps marred by Bobby's very obvious wig? It's difficult for me personally to judge "Hottest Hollie", but I do know that my mum drooled over Allan Clarke, particularly during his perm and open shirt phrase! As for when the whole group looked coolest, I'd have to go for around mid to late 1966, but then I'd say the same about most groups (Beatles, Stones, Small Faces, Searchers, etc). There is something particularly timeless about that Carnaby Street post-beat/pre-psych look.
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Post by JamesT on Jan 4, 2020 18:24:46 GMT
It's difficult for me personally to judge "Hottest Hollie", but I do know that my mum drooled over Allan Clarke, particularly during his perm and open shirt phrase! My mother described Tony Hicks as looking like he had a "little monkey face". I don't think she was a fan of him back in the day.
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Post by baz on Jan 4, 2020 19:44:28 GMT
As for when the whole group looked coolest, I'd have to go for around mid to late 1966, but then I'd say the same about most groups (Beatles, Stones, Small Faces, Searchers, etc). There is something particularly timeless about that Carnaby Street post-beat/pre-psych look. Agreed - they looked genuinely stylish and hip in that era. A pity it didn't last long as within a year Graham was wearing frocks, Allan was experimenting with his first perm and moustache whilst Tony, Bobby and Bernie wore the current garb clearly thinking "we look like absolute plonkers!" Not that they learnt... witness the infamous "Hollies Sing Hollies" album cover!
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Post by eric on Jan 5, 2020 0:54:55 GMT
As for when the whole group looked coolest, I'd have to go for around mid to late 1966, but then I'd say the same about most groups (Beatles, Stones, Small Faces, Searchers, etc). There is something particularly timeless about that Carnaby Street post-beat/pre-psych look. I agree with you Peter (and Baz). For me, the front cover of the "For Certain Because" LP has always been my favourite photo of the group. It also happens to be a photo of my favourite Hollies lineup.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 13:45:33 GMT
As for when the whole group looked coolest, I'd have to go for around mid to late 1966, but then I'd say the same about most groups (Beatles, Stones, Small Faces, Searchers, etc). There is something particularly timeless about that Carnaby Street post-beat/pre-psych look. A pity it didn't last long as within a year Graham was wearing frocks, Allan was experimenting with his first perm and moustache whilst Tony, Bobby and Bernie wore the current garb clearly thinking "we look like absolute plonkers!" *snigger*
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Post by baz on Jan 5, 2020 17:41:44 GMT
A pity it didn't last long as within a year Graham was wearing frocks, Allan was experimenting with his first perm and moustache whilst Tony, Bobby and Bernie wore the current garb clearly thinking "we look like absolute plonkers!" *snigger*
They certainly failed to look the part but by goodness, they still turned in some great music that year!
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Post by stuball on Jan 6, 2020 16:39:56 GMT
As per usual, Terry looks fabulous. Too bad the material is weak, especially 'End Of The Line'. Call it trite, shallow, boring and dull, MOR...whatever. A song like that needs a build to some sort of climax...and it never happens! The tune sounds like something dashed off in 15 minutes, and is at best, filler. If that was a single, I'm shocked!
For The Peace Of All Mankind' is a far better song, but once again, where is the build? And surely, his vocals should get far more emotional in the repeating closing choruses. But no. Just repeat the chorus over and over.
Not surprised there was no chart success with either tune.
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