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Post by Tony Wilkinson on Jul 9, 2017 18:42:31 GMT
Not sure about you guys out there but this has just emerged (audio) and it is of better quality than I have had previously of this.... Best live audio of LCW that I have heard...
01 I can't let go
02 Just one look
03 Another night
04 Sandie
05 Bus stop
06 Draggin my heels
07 Write on
08 Something ain't right
09 Medley
10 Take my love and run
11 King Midas in revers
12 Too young to be married
13 On a carousel
14 Carrie Ann
15 The air that i breathe
16 Soldier song
17 He ain't heavy, he´s my brother
18 Blowin in the wind
19 Johnny B. Good
20 Long cool woman
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 7:04:12 GMT
Mostly great, though interesting that 'Carrie-Anne' is performed in a lower key (Bb instead of the usual C), no doubt so that Allan can sing the "So like a woman to me" bit. Later on of course he got Graham / Alan Coates to sing that part.
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Post by johnt on Jul 10, 2017 8:03:50 GMT
Thanks for posting, Tony. Brilliant!
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Post by moorlock2003 on Jul 11, 2017 0:26:27 GMT
The best live versions of "Long Cool Woman" are the ones from 1972-3, when the song was newest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 6:58:57 GMT
The best live versions of "Long Cool Woman" are the ones from 1972-3, when the song was newest. Though the worst vocally, at least until the Howarth era... I don't know why Rickfors didn't sing it. He's no Clarkey, but he had a far stronger rock 'n' roll voice than Sylvester. |
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Post by cameron on Jul 11, 2017 12:54:43 GMT
The Hollies were on the downward spiral by 1982. I think the end of their peak of live performances was around 1977/8 but the golden era was definitely the 1960's through to about 1975 when they still toured with a live orchestra. The synthesiser was the killer - it cheapened their sound significantly and makes live recordings like "Live Hits" sound very dated whereas something like Stockholm 1966 or Lewisham Odeon 1968 still sound very fresh. In those early days they were very wild and exciting on stage. This came to an end just after Allan returned in 1974 - perhaps because they toured with a part of the Halle Orchestra and had to be "serious" and regimented so that the orchestra could easily play along.
I loved how Bobby would really let rip in a live environment and the full extent of his drumming prowess came to the fore. They consistently sounded better than their studio recordings then - I still maintain that their live version of "Gasoline Alley Bred" circa 1970/71 leaves the studio recording in the dark, mainly because of Bobby's drums.
Tony too seemed a bit more free and easy in his playing style, and to be fair to him, still does today. I think he gets bored of playing the same thing and always tries to mix it up a bit.
Sadly in the late 1970's, Allan's voice was already on the decline and they were resorting to dropping the key of songs on stage. Obviously by the 1990s, they're borderline unlistenable on the surviving live recordings.
I actually think their live peak was around 1969-1975 because Terry's voice seemed to blend more seamlessly with the others, whereas Graham's was definitely on top of the others. Around this time they also let Bernie play piano/keyboard to augment the sound (not to mention Rickfors could play guitar, bass and keyboards) and they generally still rocked very hard. The live orchestra later on was a welcome addition, even playing on some of their early hits like "Just One Look" and "Carrie Anne". The set list was still chopping and changing at that time, with some surprising covers like "Only Love Can Break Your Heart", "Woodstock", "Amazing Grace" (Acapella) and "Let It Be" - not to mention a satisfying selection of album tracks. From about 1977 onwards, they played it safe and the set list remained unchanged until the 1990s, when Allan's voice dictated delving into the back catalogue again to find songs more suited to him. But again, the set list since 2004 is more or less unchanged too. I just wish they'd explore more of their back catalogue and throw some interesting album tracks and B-sides in rather than the now standard two hours of hits.
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Post by greengoddess on Jul 13, 2017 16:03:36 GMT
They did do a few songs that were not "the usual hits" when I saw them last October. Sadly, I didn't like any of them. Shame really because there are some really great songs on the Then, Now, Always album.
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Post by knut on Jul 15, 2017 22:28:36 GMT
Cameron - you are of course free to have your own personal taste. But what counts in my mind is what the public feels. In 1986 The Hollies did not sell out Oslo Concert Hall. This year it was sold out 4 months before the show. And that is 1 year after a sold out concert at the same venue. If today's Hollies did not give a good show people would not come back. Since 2010 The Hollies have sold 17 000 tickets in Norway - and we are just 5-6 million people.
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Post by anthony on Jul 16, 2017 9:45:46 GMT
Cameron - you are of course free to have your own personal taste. But what counts in my mind is what the public feels. In 1986 The Hollies did not sell out Oslo Concert Hall. This year it was sold out 4 months before the show. And that is 1 year after a sold out concert at the same venue. If today's Hollies did not give a good show people would not come back. Since 2010 The Hollies have sold 17 000 tickets in Norway - and we are just 5-6 million people. agree Knut, sold out here on the last few tours too, the public are not stupid if the shows were no good people would stay away, the Hollies with this line up do put on a great show. From many reports I have heard from a large range of fans, the last few years with Allan were no good. I loved Allan's voice but it had gone and the fans stayed away, that is a fact. Last time I said this I was told I was wrong but I know I'm correct. People pay to hear the hit's and that's what the Hollies play. I did love it when they played Very last Day some years ago. |
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Post by cameron on Jul 16, 2017 10:58:58 GMT
My comment wasn't really anything to do with the current lineup. I was referring to the original Hollies with Allan Clarke. You can't really compare the new line up to the original, if it wasn't for the original lineup having all those hits, the current line up wouldn't even exist. For the period that Allan Clarke was with the Hollies, I feel that 1969-1975 was their peak for live performances. Before the synthesiser came in and before Allan's voice failed. I've heard some of the concerts from 1993 and 1995 and they're cringingly bad. Allan has no voice at all, bless him. I understand that Tony issued the ultimatum - "he goes or I do" and sadly he was right. I think Allan also had his mind on his wife too as at the time she wasn't well and I think (but could be wrong) he left the final tour early to be with her?
I think of the current line up how I think of the Rickfors era Hollies now - a different band doing their own thing; almost tied down by their back catalogue. Rickfors era Hollies wanted to showcase "Romany" in all its glory, but had to squeeze in "Bus Stop", "Carrie Anne" and "Just One Look" for the fans, despite the sound being nothing like the original. I think they got around this by mixing up the arrangements. Likewise, the current line up have two albums with Peter Howarth that are a vast improvement on the new material that they were putting out in the 1980s and 1990s. But the fans want the hits, so that's what they give them.
I'm trying to say, the Hollies were at their most dynamic and adventurous prior to the mid-1970s, when they were still trying to progress as a band. The new songs in their live concerts shook things up, plus some surprising covers given the full Hollies vocal treatment added interest. In the late 1970s, after poor album sales and singles all missing the higher echelons of the chats, they accepted their fate on the 'Golden Oldies' circuit. The fans want the hits, the Hollies are sadly trapped in their segment of the dartboard for good. Meanwhile, there's an incredible back catalogue of album tracks, B-sides and rarities that's overlooked because no one is bringing them to the consumer. The Hollies aren't performing them live, the record company aren't re-selling them and only the real hardcore/diehard Hollies fans know about them. The general fans would love them if they were given the chance to hear them! I think they'd be regarded in the same bracket as the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Kinks if they'd been pushing their back catalogue as those bands have done over the years. Most of the Kinks, Small Faces and The Who's albums didn't sell well the first time around, but now they're cult classics. And I think most of the Hollies' albums should be held in the same regard. The current line up have a two hour show with no support act and a keen sell-out audience: a perfect captive audience for slipping in a few "off the beaten track" songs which will be bringing them to a new audience, reignite interest in their back catalogue (more royalties for Mr Elliott and Mr Hicks!) and take the pressure off the current line up for having to sound like the Hollies did, because they'd be bringing something 'new' to the table in songs that were never performed live by the original lineup. They did this in the 1990s to cover up Allan's failing voice, Alan Coates did a superb live version of "Butterfly", for example.
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Post by knut on Jul 16, 2017 11:56:00 GMT
That is quite to the point Cameron. Without the 60s hits and in fact especially Heavy and The Air, both great hits after Graham left, we would have no Hollies today. Without those two songs the group would not pack the halls on their own. They would have been doing what The Searchers do.
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Post by anthony on Jul 16, 2017 23:19:00 GMT
My comment wasn't really anything to do with the current lineup. I was referring to the original Hollies with Allan Clarke. You can't really compare the new line up to the original, if it wasn't for the original lineup having all those hits, the current line up wouldn't even exist. For the period that Allan Clarke was with the Hollies, I feel that 1969-1975 was their peak for live performances. Before the synthesiser came in and before Allan's voice failed. I've heard some of the concerts from 1993 and 1995 and they're cringingly bad. Allan has no voice at all, bless him. I understand that Tony issued the ultimatum - "he goes or I do" and sadly he was right. I think Allan also had his mind on his wife too as at the time she wasn't well and I think (but could be wrong) he left the final tour early to be with her? I think of the current line up how I think of the Rickfors era Hollies now - a different band doing their own thing; almost tied down by their back catalogue. Rickfors era Hollies wanted to showcase "Romany" in all its glory, but had to squeeze in "Bus Stop", "Carrie Anne" and "Just One Look" for the fans, despite the sound being nothing like the original. I think they got around this by mixing up the arrangements. Likewise, the current line up have two albums with Peter Howarth that are a vast improvement on the new material that they were putting out in the 1980s and 1990s. But the fans want the hits, so that's what they give them. I'm trying to say, the Hollies were at their most dynamic and adventurous prior to the mid-1970s, when they were still trying to progress as a band. The new songs in their live concerts shook things up, plus some surprising covers given the full Hollies vocal treatment added interest. In the late 1970s, after poor album sales and singles all missing the higher echelons of the chats, they accepted their fate on the 'Golden Oldies' circuit. The fans want the hits, the Hollies are sadly trapped in their segment of the dartboard for good. Meanwhile, there's an incredible back catalogue of album tracks, B-sides and rarities that's overlooked because no one is bringing them to the consumer. The Hollies aren't performing them live, the record company aren't re-selling them and only the real hardcore/diehard Hollies fans know about them. The general fans would love them if they were given the chance to hear them! I think they'd be regarded in the same bracket as the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Kinks if they'd been pushing their back catalogue as those bands have done over the years. Most of the Kinks, Small Faces and The Who's albums didn't sell well the first time around, but now they're cult classics. And I think most of the Hollies' albums should be held in the same regard. The current line up have a two hour show with no support act and a keen sell-out audience: a perfect captive audience for slipping in a few "off the beaten track" songs which will be bringing them to a new audience, reignite interest in their back catalogue (more royalties for Mr Elliott and Mr Hicks!) and take the pressure off the current line up for having to sound like the Hollies did, because they'd be bringing something 'new' to the table in songs that were never performed live by the original lineup. They did this in the 1990s to cover up Allan's failing voice, Alan Coates did a superb live version of "Butterfly", for example. |
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Post by anthony on Jul 16, 2017 23:26:18 GMT
My comment wasn't really anything to do with the current lineup. I was referring to the original Hollies with Allan Clarke. You can't really compare the new line up to the original, if it wasn't for the original lineup having all those hits, the current line up wouldn't even exist. For the period that Allan Clarke was with the Hollies, I feel that 1969-1975 was their peak for live performances. Before the synthesiser came in and before Allan's voice failed. I've heard some of the concerts from 1993 and 1995 and they're cringingly bad. Allan has no voice at all, bless him. I understand that Tony issued the ultimatum - "he goes or I do" and sadly he was right. I think Allan also had his mind on his wife too as at the time she wasn't well and I think (but could be wrong) he left the final tour early to be with her? I think of the current line up how I think of the Rickfors era Hollies now - a different band doing their own thing; almost tied down by their back catalogue. Rickfors era Hollies wanted to showcase "Romany" in all its glory, but had to squeeze in "Bus Stop", "Carrie Anne" and "Just One Look" for the fans, despite the sound being nothing like the original. I think they got around this by mixing up the arrangements. Likewise, the current line up have two albums with Peter Howarth that are a vast improvement on the new material that they were putting out in the 1980s and 1990s. But the fans want the hits, so that's what they give them. I'm trying to say, the Hollies were at their most dynamic and adventurous prior to the mid-1970s, when they were still trying to progress as a band. The new songs in their live concerts shook things up, plus some surprising covers given the full Hollies vocal treatment added interest. In the late 1970s, after poor album sales and singles all missing the higher echelons of the chats, they accepted their fate on the 'Golden Oldies' circuit. The fans want the hits, the Hollies are sadly trapped in their segment of the dartboard for good. Meanwhile, there's an incredible back catalogue of album tracks, B-sides and rarities that's overlooked because no one is bringing them to the consumer. The Hollies aren't performing them live, the record company aren't re-selling them and only the real hardcore/diehard Hollies fans know about them. The general fans would love them if they were given the chance to hear them! I think they'd be regarded in the same bracket as the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Kinks if they'd been pushing their back catalogue as those bands have done over the years. Most of the Kinks, Small Faces and The Who's albums didn't sell well the first time around, but now they're cult classics. And I think most of the Hollies' albums should be held in the same regard. The current line up have a two hour show with no support act and a keen sell-out audience: a perfect captive audience for slipping in a few "off the beaten track" songs which will be bringing them to a new audience, reignite interest in their back catalogue (more royalties for Mr Elliott and Mr Hicks!) and take the pressure off the current line up for having to sound like the Hollies did, because they'd be bringing something 'new' to the table in songs that were never performed live by the original lineup. They did this in the 1990s to cover up Allan's failing voice, Alan Coates did a superb live version of "Butterfly", for example. Funny went to a Hollies concert here a few years ago and the people we went with knew most of the Hollies hits but when they did songs like Hey Willy had no idea what they were, I love to hear these maybe lesser know songs but people who come along to see the show really want to hear what they know to be honest. I would like to here Tony sing more of his old song he did lead vocals on. I would imagine most that attend concerts would have a greatest hits album and that's about it Cameron. I really loved the Hollies version of Flowers in the rain too when carl was with the band.
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Post by albatros on Jun 16, 2019 12:41:23 GMT
I saw The Hollies at this concert at MAINZ Germany 1982. A real great concert and great audience. It was on the Carnival time. Mainz is very well known for Carnival. It was the first concert the Hollies did with Allan Coates. A great hi-harmonie singer and also a great guitar player. It was a fantastic concert.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 2, 2020 15:55:25 GMT
I saw The Hollies at this concert at MAINZ Germany 1982. A real great concert and great audience. It was on the Carnival time. Mainz is very well known for Carnival. It was the first concert the Hollies did with Allan Coates. A great hi-harmonie singer and also a great guitar player. It was a fantastic concert. This is a REAL long shot  , but do you have any photos from that concert? I was given a challenge by the person who runs the Rock & Roll, Merseybeat, British Invasion, The Swinging Sixties Facebook page...He posted a clip of Johnny B. Goode from that concert, but it was illustrated by a stage photo that included Terry and Bernie. I mentioned that the photo wasn't from that concert because obvious reasons and he dared me to find one... |
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, but do you have any photos from that concert? I was given a challenge by the person who runs the Rock & Roll, Merseybeat, British Invasion, The Swinging Sixties Facebook page...He posted a clip of Johnny B. Goode from that concert, but it was illustrated by a stage photo that included Terry and Bernie. I mentioned that the photo wasn't from that concert because obvious reasons and he dared me to find one...