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Post by moorlock2003 on Jul 20, 2019 2:46:38 GMT
Interesting that Terry never appears to get 'worked up' about TH, who was supposedly the band leader and decision maker at the time of Terry's tenure. Strange, don't you think? No, becauseย Tony wasn't there when Terry made a fool of himself at theย R&RHoF. Nash makes a fool of himself every time he criticizes the band HE GOT WORLD FAMOUS WITH. Talk about lack of gratitude! Now we have Clarke doing virtually the same thing.
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Post by moorlock2003 on Jul 20, 2019 8:58:27 GMT
Excellent thread here all, with some excellent points on both sides of the argument. I don't think there is any doubt that the Rickfors Hollies rocked way harder than with Clarke because the band had an extra guitarist who could really play unlike Clarke or Nash who, as axe handlers, could get by but add nothing from a virtuoso perspective - LCW the exception. The curious thing with The H +Swede was that in a year and a half together, they never played one UK concert. Not one. What chance did they have to get him known with the locals if they hid him away? Magic Woman Touch is simply an outstanding song, mix and performance yet it was their first ever 45 to miss the charts. My take is that Hicks made the call to get him, got it wrong, realised it early then proceeded to slowly withdraw the band locally - they also did almost no UK tv appearances while with Mikael - until the time was right to bring AC back. Rickfors was left to his own devices in central London while the others returned to their wives/partners and families elsewhere. He quickly became homesick and lonely. He complained the others were completely money focussed while he was interested in his craft. He was younger and the rest of The H were at a different phase of their lives having already climbed the pop Everest years earlier. Er, this thread has gone a little off course from the original Terry Twitter start! Not that I have helped! The UK Polydor mix of Magic Woman Touch is horrible! The US Epic mix is far superior.
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Post by thejanitor on Aug 23, 2019 0:13:48 GMT
Posting this here to prevent any further derailment in the Resurgence thread. Apologies in advance for this lengthy rant also ๐ฌ
I have to say the amount of comments Terry has blocked on his recent tweets from people giving valid criticisms to his viewpoint is ridiculous. You'd think Allan speaking positively about him would turn him around for just a moment longer and think twice about what he's said before, but no, he continues to tie anything and everything Allan does back to his RRHOF grudge, unnecessarily accuse him (and Graham) to be some kind of mega junkie and talk about this looming "truth" he has that he will someday reveal. Honestly, I feel like it's starting to become a predictable posting cycle.
Allan is in old age, and so is he. I'm sure Terry's memory has faulted him several times in recent years when telling stories live or for interviews. And besides, Allan has talked extensively about leading a better life since 1979 and dedicating his time to taking care of his wife and family since he left the Hollies in these past few interviews - these things have me in strong belief Allan has been on the right path with no drugs whatsoever and Terry is just making rather extreme assumptions to make him seem like the better man.
I still look up to Terry greatly as a rhythm guitarist and high range vocalist and he's a decent guy in his non-Hollies related tweets, but I'm disappointed to see he has become this way since the RRHOF incident. Granted, he didn't get the full details to where and when the ceremony rehearsals were taking place unlike the others and rightfully deserved a spot in the limelight during the musical closing, but I feel had he followed up the RRHOF for the details, attended and got assigned a guitar and/or vocal part for the final ceremony instead of embarrassingly forcing his way on on the night, none of this kerfuffle would be happening on his Twitter today.
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Post by JamesT on Aug 23, 2019 5:49:12 GMT
Too much time on his hands. Has he even played any gigs this year? I unfollowed him on Twitter, but still occasionally look at his site to see if anything new. Rather dismal compared with the resurgence of AC.
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Post by moorlock2003 on Aug 27, 2019 5:32:03 GMT
I went to Terry's website and there is a new interview and it shows him singing. His voice seems to still be in good shape. He claims he never smoked cigarettes and never took a drug. Alcohol is another matter, as the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame fiasco showed.
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Post by paul71 on Aug 28, 2019 19:32:36 GMT
Terry is at it again, referring to Young Boys fc as Elton Johns favourite football team. He's said this before. Pretty low to be honest. Almost libellous.
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Post by thejanitor on Aug 29, 2019 12:46:43 GMT
Terry in that recent interview (and also the 2007 one on YouTube, although to be fair, that one was three years before the incident) seems like a completely different persona to his Twitter one. He's full of positivity and more than happy to reflect on his past in The Escorts and his success with The Hollies. I know this point has been made quite a few times before on here but yes, I'd love if he was more like this on Twitter, posting happy Throwback Thursday pics, videos, memories and the like more often.
And yes, his voice on the new He Ain't Heavy is not that bad! ๐
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Post by baz on Sept 23, 2019 18:17:23 GMT
And after a very long teabreak... I recognise many familiar names here and I suspect some of you may remember me from the older EO forum and yes, it really is me again... a lot has happened since you last heard of me. I was the joker who used to do the comic strip funnies amongst many things parodying some of the questionable album covers and so on!
Anyway... to keep on topic, Terry and Twitter.
A depressing embarrassment. I followed him for a few years but got very tired of his constant nasty snipes at Allan and Graham, plus I'm not a football fan either, so I unfollowed him in the end. A real shame as many have stated above, his tweeting has reduced him to the status of a bitter old man who refuses to let go of the HOF debacle and in doing so has well and truly ensured he could be no part of any kind of reunion projects in the future should they ever occur. It is interesting to learn that fans who have encountered him tell of a much more likeable Terry and it's a real shame he doesn't exercise discretion in his bilious tweets. He's well and truly shot himself in the foot. I was very sympathetic about "Terrygate" as we called it back in the day, but his refusal to let go and having virtually nothing nice to say about Allan or Graham without whom he'd never had been a Hollie... (shakes head)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 18:47:00 GMT
Welcome back Baz!
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Post by JamesT on Sept 24, 2019 17:36:08 GMT
Yes, welcome back!
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Post by thejanitor on Sept 24, 2019 21:40:03 GMT
Wasn't here the last time, but nice to meet you! ๐๐
Terry's been posting some pretty nice photos of the scenery around him recently, no problem there. โบ
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Post by stuball on Sept 25, 2019 13:51:01 GMT
A warm welcome back, Baz!
Always enjoyed your thoughts and commentary. You have been missed!
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Post by thejanitor on Oct 18, 2019 21:37:39 GMT
Terry in that recent interview (and also the 2007 one on YouTube, although to be fair, that one was three years before the incident) seems like a completely different persona to his Twitter one. He's full of positivity and more than happy to reflect on his past in The Escorts and his success with The Hollies. I know this point has been made quite a few times before on here but yes, I'd love if he was more like this on Twitter, posting happy Throwback Thursday pics, videos, memories and the like more often. And yes, his voice on the new He Ain't Heavy is not that bad! ๐ Oh wow, I just checked in and I see Terry posted this at the beginning of the month: ๐
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Post by baz on Oct 18, 2019 22:09:20 GMT
Makes a change to see Terry's posted something positive! I was following him back then but have no recollection of him mentioning meeting up with Bernie again... a little more of this kind of stuff from Terry would be good.
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Post by stuball on Oct 23, 2019 16:50:04 GMT
Makes a change to see Terry's posted something positive! I was following him back then but have no recollection of him mentioning meeting up with Bernie again... a little more of this kind of stuff from Terry would be good. Agreed! I can't help but contrast and compare Allan and Terry's current situation, and I think that helps to shed some light on their behaviour. Watching and listening to Allan's interviews promoting his new album, you can tell he's in a good place and that comes from having a well-received product, his brand new LP, of which he is quite rightly proud, to promote. Also of note, he appears to have a very warm and comforting family life, with much support to draw upon. In short, he's a happy and contented man. Terry, on the other hand, seems to have way too much time on his hands. His only gigs seem to be few and far apart, and even then he is routinely at the bottom of the bill. If he is sitting in a condo, bored out of his mind, and his only amusement is watching TV (there's only so much football and baseball, and if he's binge-watching CNN's 24/7 hate-filled screeds, heaven help him) no wonder he's an angry boy. I don't know how many followers he has on Twitter, but it can't be many, as you have to be an obsequious sycophant or you're quickly given the bum's rush. In short, I get the impression he's alone a lot of the time, hasn't much to do, not a lot to look forward to, and unlike Clarke, you don't hear anything about family. Not a healthy combination. Currently, Allan's up and Terry's down. Both in attitude and career. Things can change quickly in pop music as we all know, so I wish Terry all the best in the future, and here's hoping we see and hear more good stuff from Mr. Clarke.
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Post by baz on Oct 23, 2019 22:40:52 GMT
I can't help but contrast and compare Allan and Terry's current situation, and I think that helps to shed some light on their behaviour. Watching and listening to Allan's interviews promoting his new album, you can tell he's in a good place and that comes from having a well-received product, his brand new LP, of which he is quite rightly proud, to promote. Also of note, he appears to have a very warm and comforting family life, with much support to draw upon. In short, he's a happy and contented man. Terry, on the other hand, seems to have way too much time on his hands. His only gigs seem to be few and far apart, and even then he is routinely at the bottom of the bill. If he is sitting in a condo, bored out of his mind, and his only amusement is watching TV (there's only so much football and baseball, and if he's binge-watching CNN's 24/7 hate-filled screeds, heaven help him) no wonder he's an angry boy. I don't know how many followers he has on Twitter, but it can't be many, as you have to be an obsequious sycophant or you're quickly given the bum's rush. In short, I get the impression he's alone a lot of the time, hasn't much to do, not a lot to look forward to, and unlike Clarke, you don't hear anything about family. Not a healthy combination. Currently, Allan's up and Terry's down. Both in attitude and career. Things can change quickly in pop music as we all know, so I wish Terry all the best in the future, and here's hoping we see and hear more good stuff from Mr. Clarke. In spite of Terry too often overstepping the mark with his misinformed tweets, I can't help but feel some pity for him as in his prime, he was a genuine talent - superb singer, fine songwriter and we know he tried his best to steer The Hollies away from some of the later projects he was involved with with them which proved he cared and aimed to give his best to the band. Unfortunately, for all his gripes against Nash and Clarke, what has he actually achieved since the Hall of Fame fiasco? Nash continues on his path still performing regularly, still able to get headlines when need be and an MBE or was it an OBE? Allan, has kept a low profile enjoying his retirement then when he made his surprising return, managed to secure a major record deal and generating much interest, all the while proving he's mellowed with age becoming much more gracious. Terry? We know the answer to that and it's not a pretty sight. I'm sure Terry would be defiant and claim otherwise as sure he may keep posting photos of his beach walks and view from his room and imply that he enjoys his life... maybe he does but doing short sets, bottom of the bill deals performing the same handful of songs year in year out... whatever happened to his songwriting? Where is his passion other than football and his beloved Liverpool FC? I personally think he's stuck in a rut and worse it's highly unlikely he'll ever break free of it because even if he did come up with an album of new material, who would sign him up and release it? Terry too often still acts like a petulant teenager and I get the feeling he's actually proud to have that streak within him as he's certainly not been ageing with any grace at all. To be fair to him, proving he does have some gratitude, it's clear he still holds the memory of Robin Britten with high regard and will never say a bad word about him (and yes, I've also noticed he's never said anything bad about Tony, Bobby or Bernie), but his snipes at Nash and Clarke are vindictive since when all is said and done, had Graham not left The Hollies, Terry would not had gotten the gig of his life and we wouldn't be discussing him at all. Terry did well financially out The Hollies and credits Robin for that so it's sad he forgets all about that when he kicks off yet again on Nash and Clarke. The galling thing is, he's not actually done anything better than they have over the last 20-30 years nor has he tried to prove it hence why it smacks of sour grapes. There is clearly still much fondness for Terry's role in The Hollies. Whilst I am more of a Nash era fan, there is absolutely no denying that Terry's harmonies worked better with Allan and Tony. He also remains the 5th Scouser to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, an accolade he's clearly very proud of as there are more famous names from Liverpool who deserve to be in there who aren't. So, that's why we feel dismay at his nastier tweets because deep down, Terry does have pride in what he's done but we rarely get to see the good side of him on Twitter and it has given us a bad impression of him and his situation.
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Post by cameron on Oct 23, 2019 23:46:23 GMT
I think it's sad when any band fall out or have crossed words. Ultimately, egos play a part when you've got a group of people together. What's so desperately sad about the Hollies is that, until this year at least when Eric Haydock died, all of their former members are still alive, which is an almost unique scenario for such a high profile British Invasion band. They could be putting all kinds of projects together and keeping the Hollies' name firmly in the limelight, but they aren't. Perhaps John Lennon offered the best quote on this matter; 'Everyone loves you when you're 6ft under', and he's right. The bands who broke up first (the Beatles, Cream, Jimi Hendrix Experience etc...) enjoyed the biggest notoriety, and the artists who died too young even more so. It seems to be human nature to not make the most of things while you still can, not a problem unique to the Hollies.
It's so desperately sad that Terry acts the way that he does now. As others have said, he's got such a unique viewpoint from within the Hollies' camp and could easily be sharing interesting or funny stories of their time together. Regarding who else he's taken aim at, he's alluded more than once to some particularly X-rated exploits involving Tony Hicks and women, something that I can imagine the intensely private Tony is or would be seething about if he's aware of these tweets from a couple of years ago. So from that point, only Bernie and Bobby appear to be safe! All Terry has done really is completely ostracise himself from any future involvement in Hollies projects. He also charges per the hour for an interview, so he never gets spoken to. And that's regardless of whether it's for a CD booklet, magazine article or TV interview. Again, it does nothing to help his profile. Just a sad situation all round.
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Post by JamesT on Jan 6, 2020 21:51:58 GMT
First, Meatloaf chips in on Greta Thunberg and global warming, now our very own Terry wades in to Middle East politics:
"All these thousands of people in Iran who are filling the streets, don't they have jobs?"
Oh Lord, 'for the peace of all mankind' give it a rest ๐
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Post by baz on Jan 6, 2020 22:37:58 GMT
First, Meatloaf chips in on Greta Thunberg and global warming, now our very own Terry wades in to Middle East politics: "All these thousands of people in Iran who are filling the streets, don't they have jobs?" Oh Lord, 'for the peace of all mankind' give it a rest ๐ Yes, if there's somebody who shouldn't be allowed to let loose on Twitter, it's Terry. Just took a look and I notice he keeps taking regular swipes and sneers at Elton which had me wondering what on Earth had Elton ever done to Terry to warrant such juvenilistic attention?
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Post by stuball on Jan 7, 2020 0:59:33 GMT
I'm of the opinion that everyone is entitled to their own...err...opinion. And there's nothing wrong with stating what you believe, however politically incorrect it might be.
But I sometimes think that faded pop stars like Terry feel they must constantly feed the Twitter demand or else lose their comparatively tiny group of followers. And sad to say, he's probably right. He must say outrageous things in order to keep his fans from growing bored and losing interest in him. So... What can he do? He can't talk much about his current moribund, deadbeat, and bottom-rung touring. He doesn't write songs or record anymore. Only so many pics of the 'beach from the balcony' you can show.
Really all that's left is what we are currently witnessing. Talk dirt about famous people you once rubbed shoulders with: The Clarkes, the Nashes, the Eltons. The more outrageous, the more controversial, the better. I mean, if Terry talked strictly about news re his music career nowadays, he'd probably issue one tweet a month at most! So between a long run of football tweets re Liverpool, what he ate for breakfast, put downs of highly popular characters and crapping on former band mates, you occasionally get a warm memory, an old pic with a friend etc. And that's what makes me look in now and again. But I admit it's getting harder and harder to wade through the myriad of absolute dross and worse, just to find the odd gem from his long and fascinating career. And that's a shame.
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Post by thejanitor on Jan 7, 2020 21:30:47 GMT
The tweet he posted back in December about him and The Hollies being part of the first fully colour TV Christmas celebrations 50 years earlier was great. Again, like the Bernie tweet in October, a glimmer of the kind of things he should be posting more in regards to his former band and its members. โบ
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Post by Tony Wilkinson on Jan 23, 2020 11:01:06 GMT
Latest tweet from Terry
Terry Sylvester โ @terry_Sylvester Follow Follow @terry_Sylvester More Sad news..... Terry Jones from Monty Python has passed away at 77, the Hollies did a show with them once in Bradford, we all shared a large dressing room, never laughed so much in all my life, RIP you talented man
* I was there for that one off show at Bradford university, shook hands with Allan and Tony returned a friendly wave outside after the show, brilliant night...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 12:36:57 GMT
Latest tweet from Terry Terry Sylvester โ @terry_Sylvester Follow Follow @terry_Sylvester More Sad news..... Terry Jones from Monty Python has passed away at 77, the Hollies did a show with them once in Bradford, we all shared a large dressing room, never laughed so much in all my life, RIP you talented man * I was there for that one off show at Bradford university, shook hands with Allan and Tony returned a friendly wave outside after the show, brilliant night... What year was this Tony?
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Post by baz on Jan 23, 2020 13:23:26 GMT
Good to see a decent tweet from Terry with a curious memory as The Hollies and Python members in the same room gets ones mind boggling.
Is it just me or whenever I see a new post in this thread I click on it nervously thinking "oh no... what's Terry gone and done this time?" lol!
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Post by Tony Wilkinson on Jan 23, 2020 14:07:38 GMT
Not sure Peter, best guess 1972...
There's a reference to it in the following book Snakes and Ladders - My Autobiography: A Rock 'n' Roll Odyssey to Whitesnake by Micky Moody if that makes any sense(ref google) but can't determine the year....
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