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Post by gee on Oct 16, 2020 13:25:21 GMT
NOT a good year - again ! - for losses - sorry to learn that Tommy De Veto of The Four Seasons has passed away recently, so too Brian 'Licorice' Locking bass player in The Shadows over 1962-63 aged 82
while he was only in The Shadows a little over a year and a half from April 1962 to November 1963 he played on seven UK hits including two chart toppers ('Dance On' and 'Foot Tapper') also 'Guitar Tango' (no.4), 'Atlantis' (no.2) and 'Shindig' (no.6), and he contributed to two Shadows LPs, and several EPs
...plus was in the Cliff Richard film 'Summer Holiday' and played on a number of Sir Cliff's big hits including; 'Summer Holiday' (no.1), 'The Next Time' / 'Bachelor Boy'(no.1), 'It'll Be Me' (no.2) and 'Lucky Lips' (no.4)
- not a bad track record for just over a year in the group !
'Licorice' also played several other instruments and provided a notable harmonica on a few Shadows tracks such as 'Dakota' (1964)
Brian Locking, Tommy De Vito, now Dave Munden...plus Eddie Van Halen - inevitably the music obit list grows ever longer...
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Post by gee on Oct 16, 2020 13:41:02 GMT
and many years later an elderly Brian Locking could still play 'Dakota' - here guesting with The Rapiers in 2015
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Post by gee on Oct 16, 2020 13:49:35 GMT
The Tremeloes were fine instrumentalists too...
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Post by gee on Oct 16, 2020 13:51:26 GMT
and in the studio
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 11:17:44 GMT
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Post by The Dude on Oct 17, 2020 18:20:46 GMT
- their respective covers of songs such as; 'Cool Jerk', 'You Don't Know Like I Know', 'I Take What I Want', 'Reach Out (I'll Be There)' and later 'I Shall Be Released' etc sound different enough as each band could stamp their own style and sound onto them I'll admit to preferring The Tremeloes' version of "I Shall Be Released" over the one by The Hollies.... even though I do like the album 'Hollies Sing Dylan'...
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Post by The Dude on Oct 17, 2020 19:32:56 GMT
This was a nice single too - 'By The Way' no.35 in 1970 The B-side was a Elvis Presley mockery called "Breakheart Motel"
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Post by dirtyfaz on Oct 17, 2020 23:31:49 GMT
Like I said in an earlier post, don't The Tremeloes have their own website of forum.
Isn't this a Hollies Forum.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 6:24:48 GMT
Like I said in an earlier post, don't The Tremeloes have their own website of forum. Isn't this a Hollies Forum. As I said before, no they don't. This is only one semi-off-topic thread. Easy to ignore (and if you don't you may even discover some more great 60s/70s music outside The Hollies).
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Post by distantlight on Oct 18, 2020 11:43:33 GMT
If a lot of people enjoy writing/reading about something slightly "off topic" this really shouldn't be a problem. So why try spoiling the fun?
Lot's of interesting thoughts and videos in here. I found the live set you have posted Peter really interesting and actually quite a strange setlist. Their own hits in medley form, some covers, no originals and they obviously (and understandibly) mock their own hits. Still you can clearly see the talent with Dave Munden being the stand out singer. What a big difference it made when they finally started writing their own A-sides. Before that almost all of their singles were really corny and not aimed at a serious audience at all. Silence Is Golden is a great song and performance but almost all of the others to me were really weak.
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Post by gee on Oct 18, 2020 12:31:15 GMT
They did those very 'Euro' style hits such as 'Suddenly You Love Me' and 'Helule Helule' (which was more African based - tho' the guitars and slick percussion were great on it)
'Silence is Golden' mixing Four Seasons with Byrds style guitars and their own distinct four part harmonies featuring Rick's soaring falsetto voice was a classic (and I loved the Seasons more 'folky' style original)
perhaps most strange was how they took the teenaged Cat Stevens rather mournful lament 'Here Comes My Baby', speeded up the tempo and put it to a Trini Lopez 'party' style cheerful arrangement complete with 'woops' and jokey calls, even dropping Cat's concluding verse lyrics and simply harmony whistling the final verse !
- what was seemingly clearly a completely inappropriate style re the actual lyrics of the song worked and somehow transformed the number into an infectious memorable pop hit reaching no.4 in the UK and no.13 in the USA plus established them as a band beyond the Brian Poole Decca era
- tho' along with follow up hit another 'jokey' styled 'Even The Bad Times Are Good' did give them a 'party singalong' image that whilst bringing them firmly back into the public eye also rather trivialised them image wise along with those Euro 'poppy' hits and the comedy tracks and lighter toned songs in general they cut (like those on that American 'covers' LP at least some of which came out in the UK on CBS budget Embassy label as 'Reach Out For The Tremeloes')
- The Hollies, Kinks, Herman, even The Bee Gees all came close to that as did Dave Dee & co...and indeed so did The Beatles too ('Yellow Submarine', 'All Together Now', 'You Know My Name')...
...must have been something in the tea they all openly admitted to drinking in those days...
Besides covering songs by Paul Simon and young Cat Stevens they also recorded 'You' and 'Come On Home' penned by Ray 'Gilbert' O'Sullivan in the mid sixties several years before his breakthrough hit in 1970
Once Blakley-Hawkes began songwriting they moved towards a more defined focus in the music besides the odd 'Elvis' tribute, more rock and pop/rock style plus a country edge too, but still came up with commercial pop like 'My Little Lady'
I think the double 'A' side; 'Suddenly You Love Me' / 'As You Are' summed up their more openly 'singalong' commercial and more 'serious' crafted harmony pop styles
A key thing on their Dylan cover of 'I Shall Be Released' was the sublime Keith Masefield Strings that sweep in and out at specific parts, interesting how they do four part harmonised humming to conclude the song vocally...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 19:41:23 GMT
Chip Hawkes and band (including his two sons Chesney and Jodie) during lockdown:
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Post by gee on Oct 19, 2020 14:40:06 GMT
I can't find it on youtube so far but The Tremeloes did a half hour show in concert for Grampian TV in Scotland - as did both Lindisfarne and Gilbert O'Sullivan to name two other acts - I think the title of the show was 'The Entertainers'
I think it was in the mid to late seventies and the line up was; Chip Hawkes, Dave Munden, Rick Westwood and Bob Benham
- Chip played drums when Dave sang 'Twist and Shout' out up front and they did a number of hits including 'Helule Helule' and I think 'Hello Buddy'
somewhere I have it on an old VHS tape in pretty naff picture, it would be great if somebody located the performance and posted it on youtube
on wiki it lists all the group members...however no mention is made of either Paul Carmen or Paul Issac who joined Dave and Bob as The Tremeloes on the 1975 DJM album 'Don't Let The Music Die'
- which was credited to 'Space' on the label but 'The Tremeloes' on the sleeve !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 15:27:30 GMT
I can't find it on youtube so far but The Tremeloes did a half hour show in concert for Grampian TV in Scotland - as did both Lindisfarne and Gilbert O'Sullivan to name two other acts - I think the title of the show was 'The Entertainers' I think it was in the mid to late seventies and the line up was; Chip Hawkes, Dave Munden, Rick Westwood and Bob Benham - Chip played drums when Dave sang 'Twist and Shout' out up front and they did a number of hits including 'Helule Helule' and I think 'Hello Buddy' somewhere I have it on an old VHS tape in pretty naff picture, it would be great if somebody located the performance and posted it on youtube I've been after this show for YEARS (I have just 'Silence Is Golden' from the show but would LOVE to see the rest!). Gee, if you're unable to transfer the VHS tape to DVD yourself (and you're willing to loan me the tape) then I can transfer it, as well as put it on youtube. The show incidentally was called ‘Hear Here’, and broadcast 23rd October 1981. Talking of Bob Benham, here he is as a short-lived member of The Rubettes in 1979... coincidentally also featuring Mick Clarke, the bass player for The Tremeloes in 1966 (post Alan Howard/pre Chip Hawkes), and currently a Tremeloe once again!
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Post by gee on Oct 19, 2020 16:53:33 GMT
Sorry Peter but no good news really - I am not sure exactly where it is in my tapes collection - sorry ! - and I regret that it was pretty naff as it was recorded on one Betamax machine but when copied over to VHS the copy wasn't very good quality due to some problem re the recording tape heads on the machine !!!
the original Betamax tape is long lost sadly...
so the picture had bad 'tracking lines' on it and 'jumps' about - I always hoped they would repeat the show so I could get a decent new copy recorded...but if they did I missed it
Hear Here rings a bell - if I come across the VHS tape copy I will take another look at it and let you know
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 17:04:10 GMT
Sorry Peter but no good news really - I am not sure exactly where it is in my tapes collection - sorry ! - and I regret that it was pretty naff as it was recorded on one Betamax machine but when copied over to VHS the copy wasn't very good quality due to some problem re the recording tape heads on the machine !!! the original Betamax tape is long lost sadly... so the picture had bad 'tracking lines' on it and 'jumps' about - I always hoped they would repeat the show so I could get a decent new copy recorded...but if they did I missed it Hear Here rings a bell - if I come across the VHS tape copy I will take another look at it and let you know Thanks anyway Gee! Even poor quality with tracking lines would be better than nothing, as sadly this no longer even survives in the Grampian TV vaults.
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Post by gee on Oct 20, 2020 10:16:26 GMT
I had no idea that 'Hear Here' recording was lost from the Grampian TV vaults - If I can locate my VHS tape I will check it out
There were several excellent DVD 'Greatest Hits' best of compilation sets issued by BR Music which included both The Tremeloes and Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick and Tich
Dave Dee is a 2003 release BD 3010-9 with 20 songs plus loads of 'extras' around 24 tracks from 'Beat Club', 'Beat Beat Beat', 'A Whole Scene Going', Sweden and Norway TV etc - including Dave Dee's solo single 'My Woman's Man'
however 'Okay' is absent
The Tremeloes is a 2004 release BR 3011-9 with 20 songs from 'Here Comes My Baby' to 'Words' plus 'Yellow River' including 'Hello Buddy', 'Ride On' and 'Blue Suede Tie' and their later TV concert version of 'Someone Someone' plus seven 'extra' songs - including 'Running Out' and another performance of both 'Hello Buddy' and 'Blue Suede Tie' - and the now rather poignant footage of the late Alan Blakley at home with wife and young child...
'Hello World' is absent from this compilation - pity this 'Beat Club' performance was not included ! (with thanks to Peter)
despite the odd hit performance being absent from each - shades of 'King Midas' re Hollies - they are otherwise petty comprehensive with most songs being b/w and colour band performances featured on TV shows plus a couple of promo films
if you like either band these are well worth grabbing if you see them but I think they have got hard to find now
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 12:40:32 GMT
Sorry Peter but no good news really - I am not sure exactly where it is in my tapes collection - sorry ! - and I regret that it was pretty naff as it was recorded on one Betamax machine but when copied over to VHS the copy wasn't very good quality due to some problem re the recording tape heads on the machine !!! the original Betamax tape is long lost sadly... so the picture had bad 'tracking lines' on it and 'jumps' about - I always hoped they would repeat the show so I could get a decent new copy recorded...but if they did I missed it Hear Here rings a bell - if I come across the VHS tape copy I will take another look at it and let you know Thanks anyway Gee! Even poor quality with tracking lines would be better than nothing, as sadly this no longer even survives in the Grampian TV vaults. I've been asking around, but no luck tracing a copy as yet... I'm guessing the photo below was taken around this time?
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Post by gee on Oct 21, 2020 13:31:37 GMT
Yes - I have the Hallmark label LP and cassette copy of that with a slightly different cover photo taken from the same photo session in identical outfits - not a bad album either for hits 're-recordings' with two 'new' recordings - the casual 'Party' and 'I Let My Best Friend Down' sung by Chip
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Post by gee on Oct 21, 2020 13:50:32 GMT
Following his recent passing here's Dave Munden being interviewed a few years back 15 October 2014
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 16:22:15 GMT
I can't find it on youtube so far but The Tremeloes did a half hour show in concert for Grampian TV in Scotland - as did both Lindisfarne and Gilbert O'Sullivan to name two other acts - I think the title of the show was 'The Entertainers' I think it was in the mid to late seventies and the line up was; Chip Hawkes, Dave Munden, Rick Westwood and Bob Benham - Chip played drums when Dave sang 'Twist and Shout' out up front and they did a number of hits including 'Helule Helule' and I think 'Hello Buddy' somewhere I have it on an old VHS tape in pretty naff picture, it would be great if somebody located the performance and posted it on youtube I haven't found 'Hear Here' 1981 (with the line-up above), however, I'm very reliably informed from a Tremeloes fanatic that the set list is as follows: Yellow River Angel Of The Morning Even The Bad Times Are Good Here Comes My Baby Good Hearted Woman (a Waylon Jennings song) Helule Helule Silence Is Golden So the show you listed Gee must be a different one (either way, I'd love to find it/them!). Finally got my 1966-1972 boxset today, though haven't played any of it yet.
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Post by gee on Oct 24, 2020 16:48:20 GMT
I can add they did also perform 'Twist And Shout' with Dave singing lead out front and Chip on drums while they also did that Waylon Jennings song too
I assumed it was 'The Entertainers' as I saw both Lindisfarne and Gilbert O'Sullivan do similar half hour shows from Grampian TV however 'Hear Here' does ring a bell - those other shows were in front of a small TV studio audience but I think The Tremeloes one was just them playing a set in the studio
also covered by The Hollies of course their version of 'Do You Love Me'
people seemingly forever moan about how much better Faron's Flamingos rawer version was...except that MANY UK record buyers clearly preferred the Brain Poole / Tremeloes version sending it to number one while even The Dave Clark Five's powering version reached no.30 also beating Faron !
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Post by gee on Oct 24, 2020 17:15:10 GMT
Doing their late sixties 'Status Quo' style here...!
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Post by gee on Oct 24, 2020 17:20:27 GMT
A later version of Silence is Golden
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 11:50:05 GMT
Here's Brian Poole and The Tremeloes performing both 'The Uncle Willie' and part of 'I Want Candy' on 'Blue Peter', enjoy!
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