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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 17:08:30 GMT
To be fair, The Pacemakers will probably just do 3 or 4 songs and then concentrate on backing some of the other acts like Dave Berry and Steve Ellis. Vanity Fare have done the same on previous tours.
The Merseybeats, Marmalade and Steve Ellis are all well worth seeing, as are I suspect the current incarnation of The Tremeloes.
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Post by baz on Jul 10, 2020 17:17:29 GMT
To be fair, The Pacemakers will probably just do 3 or 4 songs and then concentrate on backing some of the other acts like Dave Berry and Steve Ellis. Vanity Fare have done the same on previous tours. The Merseybeats, Marmalade and Steve Ellis are all well worth seeing, as are I suspect the current incarnation of The Tremeloes. Out of the whole show, Dave Berry is the one I'd like to see! Love most of his classic Decca works. It was you who posted that video of him on French TV doing "Walk Walk Talk Talk" and whilst not exactly a gem, I much prefer it to the dreary A side!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 9:01:08 GMT
I must admit, I've never been much of a fan of Dave Berry, finding his voice a bit flat and tuneless. I still look forward to (hopefully) checking him out live though, as he has a reputation of being a good performer.
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Post by JamesT on Jul 16, 2020 8:57:24 GMT
Dave Berry was part of the Solid Silver 60s package the same year (2011) as our favourite Floridian armchair Tweeter. He was pretty good as I recall.
I was very impressed with Vanity Fare both times I've taken in a SS60s show. A solid band. They have a new drummer now but hopefully they're still cutting it. Better By Far is a fine track.
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Post by JamesT on Oct 11, 2020 18:58:30 GMT
Thanks for the heads up James, I’m very excited about this release! There’s a lot of rare material there. There was a semi-official bootleg put out via Chip Hawkes’ website many many years ago with most of those previously unreleased tracks on it, but I notice that there’s a few new ones on the track list plus the stereo version of the second LP has never been issued on CD, though I’m pretty sure it’s in fake stereo. ‘May Morning’ also had a very limited issue in 2000 I think and has long been out of print. It’s a pretty good psychedelic soundtrack LP with lots of wah-wah guitar and copious amounts of mellotron, which according to the liner notes, was purchased from a certain Jeff Lynne of the Idle Race... ‘Live In Cabaret’ was my introduction to the Tremeloes and it’s one of the most exciting and well-played live albums of the whole 1960s. They were an extremely talented band. Just been having a listen to the 'Live In Cabaret' recordings from the recent boxset. Very competent performance but rather muffled vocals at times. I was rather surprised to hear 'Silence Is Golden' as a short excerpt in a medley. Good to hear the 'baby sitar' as well! 😁
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Post by Stranger on Oct 12, 2020 11:25:53 GMT
What do you make of the set overall James? I only know a few of their tracks but was thinking of getting it.
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Post by cameron on Oct 12, 2020 20:47:37 GMT
For some unfathomable reason, the new boxset omits the single version of 'Even The Bad Times Are Good', but apart from that, it's a really good overview of the Tremeloes' career with CBS. 'Live In Cabaret' is one of my favourite live albums. It's very exciting from start to finish and it shows off the musical prowess of the Tremeloes. I agree that the vocals are a bit muddy, I think they placed the microphones on the PA system rather than direct to the console to try and get some "ambience". Remember this is still fairly early days of live recordings. Two nights were recorded, and the best performances from each were combined to make a full set, though the running order I believe remained the same.
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Post by gee on Oct 13, 2020 13:11:59 GMT
nice guitar/sitar on Joe South's 'Games People Play' and they were covering 'Angel of The Morning' which The Hollies also cut a (to date unissued) version of around that time on 1 January 1969
Some of their audience banter on the original live LP has to put it mildly somewhat dated re what was deemed to be laughable back then would cause heart attacks today....a Sign of the Times
here they are on TV in 1970
while The Hollies from the North and The Tremeloes from the South clashed a little early on over 'who got to sing what' etc (which fell away once both bands got to songwriting tho' each could still pick a hit penned by outside composers very well) the two bands had alot in common both re distinct vocal harmony sound and strong musicianship
- their respective covers of songs such as; 'Cool Jerk', 'You Don't Know Like I Know', 'I Take What I Want', 'Reach Out (I'll Be There)' and later 'I Shall Be Released' etc sound different enough as each band could stamp their own style and sound onto them
The Tremeloes were dogged alot by non musical issues - Rick's hearing problem (alot earlier than say Allan Clarke's was), Alan Blakley's later cancer even later 'Chip' Hawkes too plus Dave now having to take ill health retirement...together with their similar struggle over musical direction in the seventies that Hollies, Badfinger, Marmalade etc all faced as along with The Searchers, Fortunes etc the music scene influential bods all far too hastily dismissed each as 'old hat' (Badfinger of course coming to a tragic end beforehand)
After 1970 The Trems never had the key early handful of seventies BIG hits ('Yellow River' immediately springs to mind) that in truth saved The Hollies recording career, nor did CBS do any kind of TV promoted '20 Golden Greats' LP that might have boosted them as Hollies, Shadows, Beach Boys, Kinks, Dave Clark Five all enjoyed (even The Beatles got one too !)
Doing some very 'Euro' styled songs as singles rather put them at odds later with the commercial pop of the seventies, disco, or rock flavoured acts which probably cost them re any music 'credibility' later absurd tho' that might be in retrospect but when you look at the likes of 10cc, Roxy Music, Sparks, Queen etc then dominating the seventies singles charts - The Hollies for a time held their own (and COULD have figured so much more) but The Tremeloes at DJM records despite a great 1974 album 'Shiner' were never taken seriously by rock fans and essentially forgotten by pop fans (some of whom never forgave Alan's unwise comment)
but as a band The Tremeloes were a very strong outfit, they also suffered really absurdly in that some Beatles fans (notably in the USA) never forgave them for getting that Decca contract ignoring the fact Mike Smith wanted to sign up BOTH bands...and how on the day The Tremeloes simply sounded more confident and professional...
...and, it should be remembered, were a far more 'local' outfit from nearby Dagenham than the nervous sounding Beatles from way up in distant Liverpool in those pre-motorway days of Britain in 1962
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Oct 13, 2020 16:08:13 GMT
Jeez I'd love to hear the Hollies' rendition of Angel Of The Morning...
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Post by gee on Oct 13, 2020 16:43:48 GMT
The Hollies version of Chip Taylor's song 'Angel of The Morning' probably features Allan Clarke on both lead and high harmony vocals together with Tony Hicks on lower harmony vocal
- it was recorded at Chappell's studio on 1 January 1969 along with the first unissued studio version of Roger Miller's song 'Dang Me' both tracks cut before Terry Sylvester made any contributions to their studio recordings following Terry's introduction to the public as the 'new Hollie' on 16 January 1969
a second studio version of 'Dang Me' was recorded with Terry Sylvester over 23-24 September 1969 at Abbey Road for the abandoned 'Hollies Sing Country' project, that too remains unreleased to date, however as far as is known they do not appear to have ever revisited 'Angel of The Morning'
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Post by sandy on Oct 13, 2020 17:32:28 GMT
Jeez I'd love to hear the Hollies' rendition of Angel Of The Morning... God, so would I....made for Allan 👌
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on Oct 13, 2020 22:18:08 GMT
Jeez I'd love to hear the Hollies' rendition of Angel Of The Morning... God, so would I....made for Allan 👌 Although I'm afraid I'd have another urge to "slap that waitress" moment like I did when I first heard the live version of "Sandy" at the age of 16.
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Post by cameron on Oct 14, 2020 8:43:34 GMT
Allan singing 'Angel of the Morning' would be something else, that song was made for him to sing...
Interesting parallels with the Tremeloes and other big artists in the 1970s - Brian May's career-defining guitar sound is born in the solo on 'Try Me' back in 1969 with Rick Westwood's multi-tracked solo. Skip to 1:50 to hear it..
I've always thought that 1972's infectiously catchy 'Blue Suede Tie' was just a year or two ahead of the Glam Rock/Rock and Roll Revival trend in popular music, which is otherwise a standout in the Tremeloes' catalogue:
Likewise, they sat on 'Call Me Number One' for over a year. Had it been issued in 1968 around the time of the Move's Beatle-esque 'Blackberry Way', it would have completely changed the Tremeloes' reputation for being a "pop band" and let them go in the more serious direction that they always craved. Instead, they spent a year faffing around with that ridiculous covers album, that CBS didn't even bother to issue in the UK because it's so out of place and just not very good overall, despite a few good tracks.
The Tremeloes have long admitted that not releasing 'Yellow River' was their biggest career mistake. But on the flip side of the coin, it would have continued to isolate them as a "pop band" had it been their hit. But it was globally one of the top ten most successful songs of 1970, hitting number one in Australia three times throughout the year by three different bands! I've always preferred the Tremeloes' recording over the Christie recording, as Jeff Christie was no singer really, and the Tremeloes' backing vocals add so much to the track. Of course, other than that, it's the same backing track as recorded by the Tremeloes. Here's a great documentary about the making of 'Yellow River' and how it turned from a Tremeloes song to a Christie song:
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Post by sandy on Oct 14, 2020 9:56:08 GMT
God, so would I....made for Allan 👌 Although I'm afraid I'd have another urge to "slap that waitress" moment like I did when I first heard the live version of "Sandy" at the age of 16. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by gee on Oct 14, 2020 13:32:03 GMT
I don't think The Tremeloes were seen as much beyond a 'good pop group' by the UK wing of CBS - much as the UK wing of RCA Victor saw little mileage in 'new' songs from The Searchers a little later on
- The Trems earlier CBS LPs were a rather 'mixed bag' direction wise veering from rock numbers to pop songs, even the odd comedy track slipped in, and their first 'serious' album 'Master' got a dreadful cover and scant promotion...
tho' they waited before 'Call Me Number One' was released it did make no.2 in the UK and 'Me And My Life' reached no.4 in 1970 (a bigger hit single than anything The Hollies managed that year)...but thereafter singles sales began to slip badly and quickly
The Trems did find, just as The Hollies did, that having 'trained your public' so well that then attempting to be more 'serious' and 'experimental' came at a cost however re sales....still the poppier songs like 'My Little Lady', 'Suddenly You Love Me' / 'Jennifer Eccles', 'Sorry Suzanne' were deemed by the greater public to be each band as they preferred them to be...
both bands did Tony Hazzard songs in the late sixties too
- 'Hello World' (no.14) / 'Listen To Me' (no.11)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 14:08:14 GMT
I enjoyed that "The History of Yellow River" from 2003. Never seen it before.
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Post by gee on Oct 14, 2020 18:01:40 GMT
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Post by gee on Oct 14, 2020 18:08:35 GMT
Another one they missed out on in 1983 due to the F.R. David version - I'm not normally mad on such 'synth' led items but 'Chip' Hawkes sang this so well...
ironic the same title line as the Rickfors Hollies song on 'Romany'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 18:19:19 GMT
Love that live vocal version of 'Yellow River' (from 'The Basil Brush Show'). Never been quite so keen on 'Words' (or Chip's perm!), but you're right that he sings it well.
Here's the newly-reunited Tremeloes performing live in '83:
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Post by gee on Oct 14, 2020 18:25:52 GMT
Seen in that 'Blue Suede Tie' clip The Tremeloes even had their own blonde 'Mike Rickfors' type largely overlooked but key figure too....
left handed guitarist / lead and backing/harmony vocalist Bob Benham took over from Rick Westwood (I think Rick's hearing problems forced him to take a break then) in the early seventies appearing on the seventies DJM albums; 'Shiner'(1974) and 'Don't Let The Music Die'(1975) and sang lead vocal on the 1973 Epic single 'Ride On'
- Bob remained in the band for some time,even when Rick returned but Alan then had to take a break from the band...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 18:36:49 GMT
From 1972 to 1982 there were numerous changes to the band, with Rick, Chip, Alan and Bob ALL seemingly coming and going almost at will (briefly even Dave ended the band, to work as a courier on a cruise ship!). I've a 1978 performance of 'Ging Gang Goolie' which features Dave, Alan and Rick (NO Chip!). The only full reunion of the best known line was from 1983 until sometime in 1988, when Chip left (again) to manage his son Chesney's career.
I attempted to list all the line-up changes in my book 'Channelling The Beat!', but this performance from 1981 features Dave, Chip, Rick (playing bass) and Bob:
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Post by gee on Oct 14, 2020 18:38:19 GMT
with an intro of 'God Save The Queen' (well at least they were being more patriotic than The Beatles were in 1967 !) a nice later virtually acapella version of 'Silence is Golden' which I have on a twelve inch single somewhere...
you miss the 'Byrds-ish' jangling guitars here as on the 1967 UK no.1 hit but great vocal harmonies...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 18:42:55 GMT
This one from 1980 features Dave, Chip, Rick (playing drums!) and Vic Elmes from 'Christie' on bass:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 18:50:37 GMT
Here's a rare (one-off?) line-up from 1985: Chip, Rick, Alan - and Beaky (from DD,D,B,M&T) on drums! Apparently Dave was in Australia...
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Post by gee on Oct 14, 2020 18:51:26 GMT
this was a good one that deserved to do better than no.46 in 1971
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