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Post by moorlock2003 on Aug 24, 2023 17:14:36 GMT
Maybe they were low-key promotional visits? Certainly they appeared on the following TV shows: 22-04-67 - ‘The Clay Cole Show’ (WPIX) 17-06-67 - ‘The Clay Cole Show’ (WPIX) 08-07-67 - ‘Upbeat’ (Syndicated) 12-08-67 - ‘The Clay Cole Show’ (WPIX) 19-08-67 - ‘The Hy Lit Show’ (WKBS) Those were all local syndicated teen shows, which means SOME of them reached some cities. Living in California we never got those shows except “Upbeat” from Cleveland, Ohio. I never saw The Tremeloes or The Hollies (who apparently were on the show) either. That show as all miming, as were all the teen shows. Well it appears as if I was right; no live concerts in the US from The Tremeloes.
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Post by peterc on Aug 24, 2023 17:31:47 GMT
I don't know about The Hollies or The Tremeloes appearances, but certainly not all 'Upbeat' performances were mimed:
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Post by gee on Aug 24, 2023 21:30:23 GMT
Losing Rick Westwood's distinctive falsetto voice was a major trademark sound problem together with going in too many directions musically
The many line up changes from the seventies onwards was another problem - the new members were always talented musicians and vocalists but a continually changing line up didn't help them in the seventies re their public profile - plus of course a frustrated Alan's career threatening comment about their pop fans (much to the horror of his three band mates) was a serious error (reflecting the lack of any strong group management), and soon they were inevitably cutting an album of re-recordings (which was not bad) and appearing on pop nostalgia TV shows such as 'Unforgettable' etc
the numerous re-cuts of 'Silence is Golden' over time became somewhat confusing - tho' the acapella version was really nice
Besides early on 'Twist and Shout' and 'Do You Love Me' - both big successes for them with Brian Poole - they seemed to have a few recurring issues re rival covers with one single 'I'm Gonna Try' having differing lyrics but the identical melody to Herman's Hermits 1968 UK hit single 'Something is Happening'...while as stated by Cameron their missing out on 'Yellow River' to Jeff Christie and then later, when briefly reunited with the UK wing of CBS records, they were unlucky to lose out again with 'Words' to F.R. David's version which picked up almost all the radio airplay effectively sending them back to the sixties nostalgia circuit - which was a pity as the group were always stronger than many people think
Peter is very wise re his book to ignore the legal issue faced by some members (who were totally exonerated it should be stated) and I can understand why some former members and family members might not want to get involved - tho' Peter of course would only be looking at the group's musical story and the music itself in the scope of his book as with his excellent book on The Searchers
The group had alot of non musical problems - chiefly re band members health issues with Rick's hearing problem only the tip of the iceberg as sadly Alan and Dave plus later member Paul Carmen are no longer with us - just hope Chip is as well as possible
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Post by peterc on Aug 25, 2023 10:53:55 GMT
Here's a rarely-heard Brian Poole B-side from 1975 (no prizes for guessing which Hollies song it was influenced by!)...
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Post by dirtyfaz on Aug 25, 2023 12:40:21 GMT
Not bad. 10 pages of Tremeloes on the Hollies forum.
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Post by peterc on Aug 25, 2023 14:39:01 GMT
Not bad. 10 pages of Tremeloes on the Hollies forum. Strange that you chose to comment on this thread but not the one about the forthcoming release of The Hollies' 'Colour Me Pop' DVD then (which to me is the most exciting Hollies-related news in years).
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Post by gee on Aug 25, 2023 21:22:59 GMT
Good point Peter, I note he made the same 'rebuking' style curt remark back on page four of this thread asking if The Tremeloes had their own forum ? , and again on page five stating; 'obviously not too much happening in The Hollies world' ...and again on page eight
- it seems obviously doesn't approve of us discussing a contemporary group to The Hollies and appears to be telling us we shouldn't do it on a Hollies forum
- is there any rule re doing that Simon ??
if not, then on with the thread I would say...
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Post by dirtyfaz on Aug 26, 2023 6:32:04 GMT
Well peterc, I actually don't mind the Tremeloes and have a large amount of their music. I didn't comment on the DVD because they don't interest me and I don't collect them.
and as for you Gee, I wish I was as holy as you are. Go to the Tremeloes site to get your fill of them. Oh and by the way there sure ain't any rules, your smugness, needing to refer to Simon. There ain't really many rules on this site. At least when having a go at me you are leaving Moorlock alone.
Thanks for reminding me about page 4.
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Post by peterc on Aug 26, 2023 7:08:52 GMT
Sadly, there is NO Tremeloes message board. They no longer even have a proper website, nor does 'The Trems' or Chip Hawkes (I'm not on social media, but from what I've seen the constant "Chip is sooo cute!" posts are as nauseating as the ones about Tony Hicks on Hollies FB pages!).
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Post by baz on Aug 26, 2023 12:02:54 GMT
Sadly, there is NO Tremeloes message board. They no longer even have a proper website, nor does 'The Trems' or Chip Hawkes (I'm not on social media, but from what I've seen the constant "Chip is sooo cute!" posts are as nauseating as the ones about Tony Hicks on Hollies FB pages!). Oh dear... memories of the old official Hollies forum with tons of those "cute" Tony posts which rendered it unreadable! There are reasons why I refuse to engage with social media and that's one of them so kinda amusing to know little has changed there if sad to learn that Chip Hawkes also falls victim to the cuteness brigade! As is evident, I haven't really anything to say or add about The Tremeloes that hasn't been said. They did some great stuff, some stuff I'm not keen on and like The Hollies, made a few unfortunate blunders. Had they released "Yellow River" as a single and the "music for morons" comment not been published, I genuinely believe they would have enjoyed more hits well into the 70's.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2023 12:29:54 GMT
I don't really expect to find page after page about other artists on a Hollies forum.
Maybe this forum should be re-named to encompass other 60's, 70's artists?
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Post by cameron on Aug 26, 2023 13:55:42 GMT
I don't really see the problem with discussing some of the Hollies' contemporaries on this Hollies forum, so long as they are groups that were competing with or working alongside the Hollies back in their heyday. All of us here have a lot of musical interest overlap. There's been a lengthy off-topic thread about the Shadows recently too. The Hollies often leave us with extremely long bouts of nothing to talk about other than the latest tour with no new releases, archive footage or books, so it's natural that some threads like this get started to keep people talking. So long as they're clearly restricted to their own thread and labelled as such, I don't see an issue. You can choose to not read or engage with it.
Are there any Tremeloes and Hollies connections? Did they tour together on that hits package show in early 1967? I think that might have been the Spencer Davis Group actually. I think the Tremeloes may be one of the few higher echelon 1960s pop groups that don't actually have any connections to the Hollies.
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Post by peterc on Aug 26, 2023 14:14:33 GMT
Are there any Tremeloes and Hollies connections? Did they tour together on that hits package show in early 1967? I think that might have been the Spencer Davis Group actually. I think the Tremeloes may be one of the few higher echelon 1960s pop groups that don't actually have any connections to the Hollies. Yes, The Tremeloes were on that early 1967 bill too. I seem to recall reports that both groups squabbled over who was going to perform 'Reach Out, I'll Be There'! Much later (circa 2004), both Chip Hawkes and Eric Haydock were part of 'The Class of '64'. Can't think of any other connections right now, except that both The Hollies and Brian Poole & The Tremeloes were in those 1964 'Swinging UK'/'The UK Swings Again' movie shorts.
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Post by peterc on Aug 26, 2023 16:16:33 GMT
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Post by baz on Aug 26, 2023 17:09:17 GMT
Interesting. Question is, who was standing in for Bobby as this was the period when he was being hospitalised? We know Mitch Mitchell and Dougie Wright did the honours in the studio but who was doing so onstage?
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Post by JamesT on Aug 26, 2023 20:46:24 GMT
Are there any Tremeloes and Hollies connections? Did they tour together on that hits package show in early 1967? I think that might have been the Spencer Davis Group actually. I think the Tremeloes may be one of the few higher echelon 1960s pop groups that don't actually have any connections to the Hollies. Much later (circa 2004), both Chip Hawkes and Eric Haydock were part of 'The Class of '64'. I saw this act in Stirling in May 2007 - sadly no Eric which I suspect was due to legal issues. Heavy, Air, LCW and Bus Stop were the Hollies numbers played, none of which Eric Haydock originally played on! An enjoyable enough night though, Chip Hawkes clearly in love with himself as I recall!
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Post by peterc on Aug 26, 2023 22:02:57 GMT
Interesting. Question is, who was standing in for Bobby as this was the period when he was being hospitalised? We know Mitch Mitchell and Dougie Wright did the honours in the studio but who was doing so onstage? It was ex-Dakotas drummer (and Elkie Brooks' brother) Tony Mansfield:
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Post by peterc on Aug 26, 2023 22:04:42 GMT
Much later (circa 2004), both Chip Hawkes and Eric Haydock were part of 'The Class of '64'. I saw this act in Stirling in May 2007 - sadly no Eric which I suspect was due to legal issues. Heavy, Air, LCW and Bus Stop were the Hollies numbers played, none of which Eric Haydock originally played on! An enjoyable enough night though, Chip Hawkes clearly in love with himself as I recall! I have to ask... got any pics?
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Post by JamesT on Aug 27, 2023 6:41:20 GMT
I saw this act in Stirling in May 2007 - sadly no Eric which I suspect was due to legal issues. Heavy, Air, LCW and Bus Stop were the Hollies numbers played, none of which Eric Haydock originally played on! An enjoyable enough night though, Chip Hawkes clearly in love with himself as I recall! I have to ask... got any pics? Sadly no - otherwise you'd have them for your project! I did buy a CD which was rather bland as I recall, but sold it years back.
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Post by johnt on Aug 27, 2023 14:28:23 GMT
I was there at the opening show of this tour in Mansfield. I was 15 at the time and it was my first concert. As you can see, I have kept the ticket! Not bad value of ten bob (50p) to see all these stars!!
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Post by peterc on Aug 27, 2023 14:51:36 GMT
Must've been amazing seeing all these acts at the peak of their powers! I'll be seeing Paul Jones for the first (and probably last) time in October as part of The Manfreds' farewell tour, can't wait.
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Post by peterc on Aug 27, 2023 19:08:19 GMT
From tour programme.
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Post by peterc on Aug 27, 2023 20:07:00 GMT
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Post by peterc on Aug 27, 2023 20:12:51 GMT
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Post by downriver on Aug 27, 2023 20:37:33 GMT
Welcome back, Peter! Someone asked who that left-handed guy was on a video a few posts back. I thought Eddie Wheeler from Vanity Fayre on first glance. But I can't be certain. He plays guitar left handed but the strings are strung right handed, it's unusual. Junior from Marmalade does the same thing. I think Dick Dale was another who did that.
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