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Post by eric on Jul 26, 2016 7:21:07 GMT
The Hollies conducted a highly successful tour of Australia and New Zealand in the summer months of January and February 1971. I attended their Adelaide concert on the 5th February 1971 at the Memorial Drive Park Tennis Courts, which was a popular outdoors entertainment venue at that time. Many artists performed there, including The Rolling Stones, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, The Bee Gees and Bob Dylan. The Hollies sold out both their 1970 and 1971 shows at “The Drive”. Their set list, not in strict order, was: Carrie Anne (opener) Just One Look Bus Stop Stop! Stop! Stop! Sorry Suzanne Gasoline Alley Bred Amazing Grace (acapella) Let It Be Blood Red Roses (acapella) Woodstock Gloria Swansong Too Young To Be Married He Ain’t Heavy, He’s My Brother On A Carousel (encore) Too Much Monkey Business (closer) Terry Sylvester was very impressive and was clearly a key member of the band after two years’ service. One year after their last concert in 1970, which included four Bob Dylan songs, the band had discarded the Dylan tunes and Stewball (their nod to Peter, Paul and Mary). Too Young To Be Married was aired prior to its release as a (hit) single in April 1971. Gloria Swansong was the only tune performed from the Hollies Sing Hollies LP, replacing Reflections Of A Long Time Past, which was played in 1970. They did a roaring version of Woodstock. Was this done to demonstrate they could rock as hard as CSNY? Interestingly, their big local hits of I’m Alive, Look Through Any Window, I Can’t Let Go, King Midas In Reverse, Jennifer Eccles, Do The Best You Can and Listen To Me were omitted in favour of the cover songs Amazing Grace, Let It Be, Blood Red Roses and Woodstock. Below are copies of memorabilia from the tour, including pages from the tour programme and a ticket stub. Attachments:
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Post by dirtyfaz on Jul 26, 2016 9:43:55 GMT
Eric You did something I didn't. Buy or keep souvenir programmes. Maybe I did buy but didn't keep after moving around a few times including the other side of the country. I was fortunate enough to go to 2 of the Hollies shows at Chequers Night club. A sit down dinner and show thingie as I remember but maybe not a dinner. I don't remember many of the songs they played but a clear memory is them playing A Taste Of Honey the first time I saw them and then not playing it the second time. I had just got an import copy of Hollies Sing Hollies LP and it was the first time the band had seen the finished product. I chatted with most of them after the show at the bar. Jeez those days it was easier to talk to the entertainers. Got the LP signed by all of them as well.
I have seen the Hollies every time(sometimes more than once)they played in Sydney and also at several other venues around the country. That being said, that is every version of the Hollies except the Nash version.
I take it that the page above The Best Of The Hollies is from that souvenir programme. Not too sure if all the info is accurate.
The 1971 track listing must have been very similar to the one in Sydney where they performed at the Capitol theatre that was filmed by the ABC and became the basis for the TV show "Don't Get Sunburnt" . The only track missing from the Adelaide show in the TV show is Gloria Swansong. I don't remember if that was performed in Sydney. Blood Red Roses was in the TV show but was recorded live at a BBQ. I always thought that they just got that song together for the BBQ but seeing your listing clears up in my mind why the performance at the BBQ was so good. For all the shows of theirs that I have seen I never tried to recall or write down after the show what songs they performed. I wish I did. I always went with another serious Hollies fan and he didn't either.
I enjoyed your post.
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Post by eric on Jul 26, 2016 11:48:42 GMT
Dirtyfaz,
Thank you for your comments. I wish I had seen The Hollies during their time at Chequers. It is incredible to think that they played a residency in Australia at the peak of their popularity. With regard to them playing A Taste Of Honey, they did it in Adelaide in 1970 (after Chequers), but, much to my disappointment, not in 1971. It was definitely a highlight of their 1970 show.
I agree that some information in the programme does not appear to be accurate. In all honesty, the programmes in those days were probably not worth buying, although one did get some nice photos that were otherwise not always available. It is much easier now with the internet.
I have seen four versions of the band, but unfortunately, and to my eternal disappointment, not one with Graham Nash. I had a ticket to see them, with Nash, in 1967, but they cancelled their tour Down Under due to Bobby Elliott’s illness. In recent times, I have been lucky enough to see Nash perform (with Crosby and Stills).
With regard to Blood Red Roses, my notes at the time read that one song was a “sea shanty”, which over the years I have taken to be Blood Red Roses.
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Post by Tony Wilkinson on Jul 26, 2016 16:13:05 GMT
With regard to Blood Red Roses, my notes at the time read that one song was a “sea shanty”, which over the years I have taken to be Blood Red Roses.
Wouldn't that be ' Let her go down'......?
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Post by cameron on Jul 26, 2016 17:14:59 GMT
I enjoyed reading your post. It's always interesting to read reports of the Hollies live shows at their peak of popularity. It's amazing how varied their set was too - especially the number of covers!
They toured Euope in early 1971 and 'Blood Red Roses' was on the set then. Also, interestingly, so was a cover of Neil Young's 'Only Love Can Break Your Heart' sung around the piano (played by Bernie) and it's just as good as, if not slightly better than the CSNY version, mainly thanks to Allan's really powerful vocal delivery on it.
That ABC concert mentioned is something of great interest. The full show was filmed in colour (although broadcast in black and white) and survives in its entirety but the company that owns it have no desires to release it because, and I quote, "there's no money in it". Sad.
Was 'Dear Oak Tree' part of "Don't Get Sunburnt"? That's a real anomaly in the whole set list line up. There's no evidence of them ever singing that during a live show.
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Post by eric on Jul 26, 2016 23:37:34 GMT
Tony, your suggestion that the "sea shanty" could be "Let Her Go Down" is an interesting one. With "Blood Red Roses" being in the ABC TV show made at that time and, as Cameron says, also performed in Europe in 1971, I had assumed that "Blood Red Roses" was the song I heard all those years ago. Maybe this was an incorrect assumption.
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Post by stuball on Jul 27, 2016 1:02:46 GMT
I believe 'Let Her Go Down' was from a Steeleye Span album from the very early '80's. I think 'Blood Red Roses' was in fact the tune you heard back in the day.
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Post by dirtyfaz on Jul 27, 2016 4:07:39 GMT
Way too early in time for Let Her Go Down. Most certainly would have been Blood Red Roses. As for Dear Oak Tree that was performed at the BBQ for the Sunburnt special. It was preficed by Allan talking about songwriting. The tree was his lover for the day. The title was made up by one of the bootleggers back in the day because Allan was singing about the tree. That song run through the closing credits for the show. I often wonder how much actual interest there is in that Hollies special. Guess it would be only for the real serious fans hence to comments about money in it.
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Post by cameron on Jul 27, 2016 8:46:56 GMT
Yes I think referencing Let Her Go Down was a joke because you said it was a sea shanty!
There's no official live concert DVD of the Hollies, so I think it would be of great interest. Hollies In Concert from 1969 certainly does the rounds on YouTube and Hollies Live Hits was one of their best selling LPs. 40 minutes of material roughly, including their best hits Carrie Anne, Just One Look, Too Young To Be Married, Bus Stop, He Ain't Heavy... plus enough rare songs like Amazing Grace, Woodstock and Let It Be to keep the fans happy. I think there'd be a market for it but sadly I was very abruptly told not. So where does this leave us - with the show remaining under lock and key for another 50 years until the Hollies become more "universally interesting"? It's a frustrating situation.
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Post by gee on Jul 27, 2016 11:11:58 GMT
'Let Her Go Down' was a track on Steeleye Span's 1980 album 'Sails of Silver' credited as written by their violin player Peter Knight tho' I think it's adapted from a traditional tune
the old 'there's NO market for it' line gets my goat (they ALWAYS claim that - they did re 'Out on The Road' coming out on CD etc)
there suddenly IS a market as soon as the record companies WANT to do a release...
I think (suspect) it's a case of them really not being that bothered either to put up the money to do such projects or be bothered to plug them
it's an odd situation now - Clarke & Nash seemingly in one corner but both either being retired or long gone from The Hollies concern, Hicks & Elliott in the other, having overall control of the back catalogue and any show recordings - The Hollies Limited used to record most shows - but the pair now running their version of the band and only seemingly bothered re hits compilations or the occasional CD set that Tim Chacksfield can get approved etc...
they just don't seem that bothered re their famous past - hence the long overdue sonic update of the recordings or any 'Rarities 2' set etc let alone any 'proper' DVD restrospective (outside David Peek's effort) or any vintage concert DVDs or CDs (the London Hippodrome Feb 1969 concert b/w telerecording BBC found in their archive)
a proper DVD of vintage concert performances and live TV show songs like 'Beat Club', 'London Palladium' etc in chronological order by EACH classic line up going from say the surviving NME Poll Winners concert songs through German 'Beat Beat Beat' and Yugoslavia songs onto the TV specials with Nash then Sylvester plus later classic era concerts - ITV did a seventies special and German and other TV specials exist...these could all be assembled for DVDs
while a series of concert CDs could also be done, from say Stockholm 1966 and Lewisham Odeon 1968 in full maybe put together with TV show soundtrack songs, for a 'Nash era' live CD, then with Sylvester from 1969 including the 'Don't Get Sunburnt' tour - there are also unissued songs from 'Hollies Live Hits' such as 'Boulder' and 'Grace' that could be utilised as bonus tracks
The Mike Rickfors line up Santa Monica concert recordings plus USA TV show songs would make a good CD
post Sylvester several strong quality recorded concerts exist with Clarke, Hicks, and Alan Coates - live in Mainz Germany 1982 and 'Live at the Magnum Centre Irvine Scotland' (broadcast by Radio Clyde) featuring rarer live versions of 'Gasoline Alley Bred' and 'Too Many Hearts Get Broken' which could be combined in a later era 2CD set or go with earlier concerts as a proper retrospective release maybe titled; "Hollies Live On Stage and Screen" 5 CD set etc...
it COULD be done IF The Hollies Limited expressed any interest...
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Post by dirtyfaz on Jul 27, 2016 13:21:44 GMT
David Peek/Reelin' In The Years supposedly own the rights to Don't Get Sunburnt Special. I am not too sure how he feels he owns the rights to that show. It would be a very grey area of ownership and from that who gave them the rights and is it worldwide?
That response Cameron got "but sadly I was very abruptly told not" fits with the way I have read responses from David Peek. He comes across as an aggressive American.
As Gee states, there is plenty of stuff around but Hicks/Elliotts lack of interest most certainly would prevent most if not all of the material being made available. As the years go by the fan base is getting smaller as they die off.
Interestingly enough all the guys from the 60/70s Hollies are still alive.
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Post by cameron on Jul 27, 2016 19:47:18 GMT
I personally messaged David Peck and politely asked if they were planning to issue any other Hollies archive material (they'd just released a complete BB King concert DVD, so I knew that they didn't just strictly create documentaries) and his response was pretty much that they struggled to break even with "Look Through Any Window" and that I should be grateful that it exists. There was no money to be made from the Hollies so they wouldn't be any more DVD releases featuring the band. I can't remember word for word what he said as it was way back in 2011 when LTAW came out but I was shocked at how he spoke to me. Very aggressive and rude.
As I see it, his company 'Reelin In The Years' represents various TV stations around the globe, specialising in music. Copyright control and music is a nightmare, let alone adding footage into the equation. So David's company chase up this and they keep the actual film reels and video tapes themselves - so he does effectively own them. He leases the clips out for professional use only (the website makes it VERY clear that they "WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TRADE WITH FANS" and that all clips are "for legitimate industry products only". They're sort of a middle man I guess, the money paid for the clip to be featured on TV in a documentary or on the news etc... some will go to Reelin In The Years, some to the company that "owns" the tape and some to the band or artist featured.
They've got dozens of stuff on the Hollies. There's actually two concerts from 1970. One is the one filmed for "Don't Get Sunburnt" in 1970 in full colour (it's the very brief segment of He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother playing over the opening credits of LTAW) and it's just the concert recording - not the original Don't Get Sunburnt documentary. The song titles in order of appearance are: 1. Amazing Grace 2. Blood Red Roses 3. Bus Stop 4. Carrie Anne 5. Gasoline Alley Bred 6. He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother 7. Let It Be 8. On A Carousel 9. Stop! Stop! Stop! 10. Too Much Monkey Business 11. Too Young To Be Married 12. Woodstock
I know this isn't the proper order based on all the set lists of the time. There's no date listed for the recording other than 1970, but we believe the show to be from 1971. I guess they've just listed all the songs in alphabetical order looking properly at it.
But interestingly, another concert from 1970 is listed, around 30 minutes in length in black and white but other than that, nothing else is known about it. The date shown is 7th February, 1970 - is that a European Tour date? Here's the online track list: 1. A Taste Of Honey 2. Blowin' In The Wind 3. Bus Stop (only 1 minute in length, probably part of a medley) 4. Carrie Anne 5. He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother 6. I'm Alive (only 1 minute in length, probably part of a medley) 7. Just Like A Woman 8. Just One Look (only 1 minute in length, probably part of a medley) 9. Sorry Suzanne 10. Stop! Stop! Stop! Does anyone know any more about this show? Anyone have their tour dates for 1970 to see where it was filmed?
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Post by JamesT on Jul 27, 2016 20:33:25 GMT
David Peck joined the old forum and I seem to recall him being abrupt/rude when suggestions were made about what to include in the Look Through Any Window DVD. Had we been dealing with a different band or artists, one wonders if a 'crowd funded' project would be a 'goer'?
This is a superb post, a very interesting time for the band. They also continued on with 'Only Love Can Break Your Heart' in the Rickfors era.
'Let Her Go Down' dates from Steeleye Span's 'Sails Of Silver' album of 1980. Incidentally, having caught them for the second time just a few weeks ago, Peter Knight's Gigspanner give a superb performance.
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Post by cameron on Jul 27, 2016 22:23:16 GMT
There's lots of live show recordings and they keep turning up all the time. Very interesting comment from Gee about how the Hollies LTD recorded the shows - I wonder how far back this went? Bobby said in an interview once that he recorded a show in 1964 on his mum's reel to reel but the quality is "unlistenable" and he also recorded a few shows in the early 1970's using his new Sony tape recorder. But Bobby is a self-confessed hoarder - perhaps he documented the shows like he did his diary? Who knows....
Some very interesting stuff has come to light over the years. The Yugoslavian concert from 1968 came out of nowhere. No one seemed to know about it and suddenly it was aired on TV in 2008 or so. A full filmed Graham Nash concert! Unheard of! More recently, someone uploaded a Swiss TV concert from 1975 that I never knew about too, perfect quality and in full colour.
We know that two shows in America 1967 were filmed in full colour by ABC for the "Rock Revolution" documentary, for which about half of Bus Stop appears and so does The Times They Are A Changin over the closing credits. If the complete tapes survive, they would be like gold dust. ABC reprised this again in 1973 with the Rickfors lineup and the show was broadcast in Simulcast (TV and radio so you could listen with better sound) and this survives I believe.
As for anything else... who knows? Like I said, no one knew about Split, Yugoslavia 1968. Even the original NME article telling readers about the show never mentioned that it was filmed for TV. Someone hinted that a Japanese concert from 1968 was filmed too but they didn't elaborate or give details.
It's all out there, it's just a case of people setting wheels in motion to sort it, or waiting for the Hollies to become as retrospectively popular as say, the Kinks, Small Faces, Zombies, Beach Boys etc... for it all to be deemed worthy of official release!
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Post by stuball on Jul 27, 2016 22:42:41 GMT
David Peck joined the old forum and I seem to recall him being abrupt/rude when suggestions were made about what to include in the Look Through Any Window DVD. I remember it much the same, James. All sweetness and light to those who flattered him, but downright nasty to anyone who dared question his Nash-centric vision of The Hollies. I especially recall Moorlock taking it on the chin for suggesting the Rickfors period was totally overlooked. Perhaps he thought a Hollies site would eat this up and be more than grateful for his LTAW DVD, but fans here know the Hollies story backwards and forwards and will have different interpretations, favourite eras etc., that are always open for debate. So yes, we were grateful and we did buy the LTAW DVD, but we did have criticisms, and that he could not tolerate.
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Post by anthony on Jul 27, 2016 23:20:50 GMT
I have heard that channel 2 had a concert with the Hollies and Little river band.
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Post by anthony on Jul 27, 2016 23:31:19 GMT
Yes I think referencing Let Her Go Down was a joke because you said it was a sea shanty! There's no official live concert DVD of the Hollies, so I think it would be of great interest. Hollies In Concert from 1969 certainly does the rounds on YouTube and Hollies Live Hits was one of their best selling LPs. 40 minutes of material roughly, including their best hits Carrie Anne, Just One Look, Too Young To Be Married, Bus Stop, He Ain't Heavy... plus enough rare songs like Amazing Grace, Woodstock and Let It Be to keep the fans happy. I think there'd be a market for it but sadly I was very abruptly told not. So where does this leave us - with the show remaining under lock and key for another 50 years until the Hollies become more "universally interesting"? It's a frustrating situation. It leaves us with someone who thinks he is sitting on a goldmine, it's all mine, maybe holding out for a big offer, in the end nobody will be interested and it will be worth nothing. a real pity for us Hollies fans.
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Post by Jan T on Jul 28, 2016 0:27:40 GMT
With regard to "Reelin' in the Years" production of the LTAW DVD, and how they took control: every clip used by them in that DVD, that is posted on youtube, as just about everyone knows, has gradually been blocked from viewing in the States by Eagle Rock Entertainment, so their notices read. I don't know how the two companies are connected; however, I discovered sometime ago that Universal Music Group acquired Eagle Rock a couple of years ago. As of that time, Eagle Rock was expected to continue operating as an ongoing business. It has been a long, slow process for them to block as much as they have on youtube from Americans being able to view the clips, and I'm sure they have been working every possible angle to keep those of you who live in other countries from seeing them as well. For those of you who, unlike me, have the capability and know-how and who haven't done it yet, you might want to consider downloading copies of those clips. Besides everything that was used on the final cut of the DVD, I'm sure, like Cameron said, they own the rights to a lot of other material that never made it into the final cut. Here is a link to the article I had found on UMG acquiring Eagle Rock: www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/record-labels/6041501/universal-music-group-buys-eagle-rock-entertainment
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 7:32:03 GMT
Cameron: There certainly IS an official Live Concert DVD of The Hollies, albeit from the Howarth era; www.holliescollection.co.uk/dvd_details.php?DVD_ID=5/Jan: Annoying though it is that those clips from the LTAW DVD have been blocked on YouTube, I can't quite understand the logic in downloading them all. Why not just watch the DVD instead?
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Post by gee on Jul 28, 2016 12:30:08 GMT
So David Peck's company just about broke even re LTAW ? - well it gets a regular rerun on SKY ARTS channel here in the UK - it has just been on again recently - so they must be continuing to get at least some money out of it...
I had hoped the Manfred Mann and Pretty Things follow ups would emerge but it seems both were cancelled projects - shame !
LTAW was excellent, despite a few odd remarks by Allan Clarke (talk about belittling YOUR own band 'post Nash' era ! - Jeez !), and Bernie Calvert surely could have been interviewed ??
then a decent VOLUME TWO from 1969 onwards could and should have been put together to complete The Hollies Story (repeating the four Sylvester era hits from LTAW maybe but then going forward)
if it's all just ONLY about making money well then of course it's unlikely we will ever see any follow up DVD but it makes you wonder then just how retrospective DVDs re other (often much) less successful groups or artists than The Hollies ever manage to get made - and they DO !!
A number of other Hollies songs DVDs exist like 'The Dutch Collection' and others with clips of hits and later songs, while we know TV songs exist like the Nash version of 'Blowin in The Wind' from BBC etc...so a market for these clearly DOES exist despite whatever Peck might say...
There is material around of TV and concert special song performances that could all be gathered together for at least a later Hollies songs DVD set with Nash, Sylvester, Rickfors and later era line ups all featured
Warners now own The Hollies music back catalogue - and ARE continuing with classic Hollies releases - so maybe they might get involved with Hollies DVDs in the future ?
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Post by Stranger on Jul 28, 2016 13:14:44 GMT
Pity the most interesting Hollies item of all remains in the vaults.
How about a Kickstarter? I've seen thousands raised to release relatively obscure silent movies.
Are there only 5 Hollies fans though?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 13:17:07 GMT
Pity the most interesting Hollies item of all remains in the vaults. How about a Kickstarter? I've seen thousands raised to release relatively obscure silent movies. Are there only 5 Hollies fans though? I've done similar things with friends when buying other (non-Hollies) rare footage. A bit annoying when it surfaces on YouTube after paying a small fortune though!
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Post by Jan T on Jul 28, 2016 14:06:07 GMT
Jan: Annoying though it is that those clips from the LTAW DVD have been blocked on YouTube, I can't quite understand the logic in downloading them all. Why not just watch the DVD instead? I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. Those videos that encompass their live performances that would be of value to dedicated fan, but, then again, I'm sure you already have.
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Post by JamesT on Jul 28, 2016 17:01:42 GMT
I had hoped the Manfred Mann and Pretty Things follow ups would emerge but it seems both were cancelled projects - shame ! I seem to recall a comment or photograph on the Manfreds Facebook page about the interviews for this, and then nothing. I'd have thought the Manfreds fanbase would have snapped this up and enabled Peck to, at least,'break even'.
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