Too young to be married - new

[Tony Wilkinson]

[baz]

Excellent stuff. Hadn't seen that before. Works better for me like this in spite of the unbalanced sound (need Bernie up a bit in the mix) as it's more dramatic!

[thejanitor]

Look at Tony go on that solo! 😎 I've been very curious about the "Don't Get Sunburnt" special since it has been brought up a couple of times on here. So is the only clip currently online from it?

[cameron]

Jan 19, 2020 19:19:46 GMT thejanitor said:

Look at Tony go on that solo! 😎 I've been very curious about the "Don't Get Sunburnt" special since it has been brought up a couple of times on here. So is the only clip currently online from it?

The rest of it doesn't appear to have survived in the TV archives as a complete show. I know a few Australian fans have exhausted all channels there to track the original documentary down to no avail. By all accounts, it was only shown once and in black and white. There's a few brief colour snippets of 'He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother' (and I mean brief, blink and you'll miss them) at the start of the 'Look Through Any Window' documentary during the introduction, but that's it. The audio has done the rounds on the bootleg circuit for years in varying qualities. I put up the best of what I had here, which isn't the full show and not great quality: soundcloud.com/theholliesrareandunreleased/live-in-australia-1971

The full raw unedited concert footage survives in colour in the Reelin In The Years archives (who made the LTAW documentary) but they were less than pleasant when I emailed to see if there's a possibility of the footage being released as a DVD. So it sits to languish on David Peck's shelf for eternity. But he's watched it, so that's okay I guess... I have little hope that we'll ever see the footage, which is poignant for being the earliest professionally recorded completely live Hollies concert to be filmed. Although we have Yugoslavia 1968, it was shot on just two cameras I believe and the sound recording leaves a lot to be desired. Also 'In Concert' in 1969 was partly mimed and part live. 

[JamesT]

The complete 'Don't Get Sunburnt' is one of the items I'd most like to see.

Interestingly, Manfred Mann's Earth Band was recorded live in Sydney 1972 at The Roundhouse Theatre, The University of New South Wales and filmed by the Australian Broadcasting Commission for their 'Get To Know' programme.  It was officially released about 10 years ago on DVD. I'm reasonably sure that the superb recording was salvaged from a skip outside a TV company by a fan. The notes state that Aus didn't get colour TV until 1974. So, these things can turn up!

What is the status of Reelin' In The Years productions? I presume they've given up releasing DVDs as the Manfred Mann one never saw the light of day despite numerous interviews having been filmed?  Either way, what an obnoxious character.

[anthony]

Jan 19, 2020 23:27:59 GMT cameron said:

Jan 19, 2020 19:19:46 GMT thejanitor said:

Look at Tony go on that solo! 😎 I've been very curious about the "Don't Get Sunburnt" special since it has been brought up a couple of times on here. So is the only clip currently online from it?

The rest of it doesn't appear to have survived in the TV archives as a complete show. I know a few Australian fans have exhausted all channels there to track the original documentary down to no avail. By all accounts, it was only shown once and in black and white. There's a few brief colour snippets of 'He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother' (and I mean brief, blink and you'll miss them) at the start of the 'Look Through Any Window' documentary during the introduction, but that's it. The audio has done the rounds on the bootleg circuit for years in varying qualities. I put up the best of what I had here, which isn't the full show and not great quality: soundcloud.com/theholliesrareandunreleased/live-in-australia-1971

The full raw unedited concert footage survives in colour in the Reelin In The Years archives (who made the LTAW documentary) but they were less than pleasant when I emailed to see if there's a possibility of the footage being released as a DVD. So it sits to languish on David Peck's shelf for eternity. But he's watched it, so that's okay I guess... I have little hope that we'll ever see the footage, which is poignant for being the earliest professionally recorded completely live Hollies concert to be filmed. Although we have Yugoslavia 1968, it was shot on just two cameras I believe and the sound recording leaves a lot to be desired. Also 'In Concert' in 1969 was partly mimed and part live. 

It's such a shame that Reelin' In The Years productions has Don't get sunburnt and just have it sitting in the vaults gathering dust. Can not see the point in that. It's ok to buy up all these shows but what are they ever gonna do with them, to be honest apart from the devoted Hollies fans Don't get Sunburnt would have little interest to others. As time goes on the interest will keep dropping. Thank goodness this clip of Too young to be married escaped their clutches.

[eric]

Jan 19, 2020 19:19:46 GMT thejanitor said:

Look at Tony go on that solo! 😎 

It is indeed a brilliant solo by Tony.  However, for their Australian single, and I assume the New Zealand single too, his solo was edited out.  The shortened version of the song proved a winner as it went to number 1 in both markets.  Notwithstanding the huge success of the edited version, Tony has played his solo on every occasions that I have seen the band here (from 1971 to 2019).

[cameron]

Reelin' In The Years don't have the 'Don't Get Sunburnt' special, but the raw colour concert film plus the two musical segments filmed outside. I know Simon researched this for some time, and all the TV archives are claiming that the original finished documentary was binned decades ago, which seems to be supported by the fact that it was allegedly only broadcast once. Those who have seen it said that there's band interviews throughout and some edits like an aeroplane landing at the start of the film, placed over the start of 'Gasoline Alley Bred'. 

My understanding is that RITY don't own the footage, but manage the physical film, copy it and distribute it on behalf of the TV companies. If a TV company were to approach them to show the concert, they'd be able to licence it and broadcast it. But I can't see any TV companies wanting to unearth a new Hollies concert from 1971! Alas, it's happened with BBC for the 1969 Golders Green Concert and RTE for the 1968 Yugoslavian concert, though both films existed in the respective company's archives. Though the 1968 Yugoslavian footage has now been turned over to RITY, so the chances of that getting shown again are nil.

The irritating thing for me is that they're allegedly "all about the music", and I get that they have to make money and they must get fans raging at them on a daily basis, but their lines of conversation are so firmly closed. I sent such a polite email to them about the footage and offered a few workable scenarios to get it shown, instead I got a mouthful of abuse back straight off the cuff and David Peck himself said "there's no money in the Hollies" to me.

But look at a company like Kaleidoscope in the UK, who involve the fans with their research and update them with all their finds. Once a year they have a screening of the best and most important finds (virtually all music clips pre-1975 get shown at this event) and although you can't feely watch the footage at your convenience or have a copy, at least fans are given a chance to see it. I'm devastated that I didn't get to go along this year to see the Hollies' 1968 Colour Me Pop performance!

[Deleted]

Probably the best way to release something like this would be as a bonus DVD with a CD box-set. Perhaps with the rumoured outtakes set?

Let's not forget that The Pretty Things' Reelin' In The Years documentary was released exclusively as part of a box-set. So David Peck is presumably open to such things.

[baz]

Jan 21, 2020 22:19:46 GMT peterc said:

Let's not forget that The Pretty Things' Reelin' In The Years documentary was released exclusively as part of a box-set. So David Peck is presumably open to such things.

The Pretty Things documentary was the last one they completed and it was all set for release but was cancelled at the same time they abandoned the Manfred Mann one so it was sat on their shelf and the Pretties were lucky to strike a deal to issue it a few years later. The Pretties are also lucky being one of very few acts to own all their copyrights and masters so music clearance wise there wouldn't have been many problems!

As for RITY, I'm too polite to express my opinions though they are pretty similar to others expressed in this thread!

[JamesT]

Jan 21, 2020 21:53:49 GMT cameron said:

 I'm devastated that I didn't get to go along this year to see the Hollies' 1968 Colour Me Pop performance!

Just reminded of this - did anyone actually make it along?

[Gralto]

Don't Get Sunburnt has never been released as it's in a labyrinth of copyright issues - a mixture of broadcaster, band and promoters - as I was told by someone at the ABC. The ABC looked to show this some years ago (in the last 20) but were gazumped by this difficulty. Cameron - the complete special survives in colour but not the raw footage as you have stated. You may be confusing this with the On A Carousel 1967 Granada TV visit to Abbey Road that survives in this form.

RITY licence footage on behalf of these broadcasters to make money for both parties but do not themselves own any rights outright AFAIK. And RITY won't own worldwide rights to most of their footage - only certain territories. They do not licence Australian footage from companies like the ABC and Nine Network to then sell back into the Australia and New Zealand markets - the broadcasters themselves will do this (if they can be bothered - not too much money in this game these days).

The black and white clip kindly posted by Tony W does indeed derive from 'Sunburnt' - this was excerpted in the long running 10 minute music & culture series 'GTK' (aka Get To Know) that ran on the national broadcaster (ABC) from 1969-76. Though filmed in colour, this clip was only screened in B&W as colour TV broadcasting didn't commence until 1 March 1975 in Oz.

This performance derives from one of the Jan 1971 Sydney concerts - Dirty Faz, were you there?

[dirtyfaz]

Gralto

I sure was. I went with my soon to be wife. I don't remember much about the performance but one of the highlights for me was AMAZING GRACE. I did see the Don't Get Sunburnt TV special. I actually recorded this with a hand held mic next to the TV speaker. Pretty primitive back in those days. My copy of the audio later became the source for many bootlegs that used tracks from that special. The hum through the show is the giveaway for me that it was my copy used. Back in the day tape trading was freely done.

[cameron]

Jan 22, 2020 11:38:39 GMT Gralto said:

Cameron - the complete special survives in colour but not the raw footage as you have stated. You may be confusing this with the On A Carousel 1967 Granada TV visit to Abbey Road that survives in this form.

Thanks for clarifying this Simon, it seems that David Peck doesn't even know what he has! He said it wasn't a documentary but just concert footage - unless that's what the original show was. I was under the impression that the original show contained interviews and a segment outdoors where the Hollies play a couple of songs in some kind of garden. 

It's so frustrating that it can't be shown. I've come across a few people now who've tried to get things released but the Hollies themselves don't seem interested or actively try to block it. Which is odd, as Bobby is usually quite insistent that they support such things and they usually give their consent and just let publishing/record companies get on with it. They've also said recently that they didn't veto the Ron Furmanek remix project in the early 1990s, which was a longstanding rumour for decades that the Hollies (with the exception of Graham, who's publicly spoke on the contrary) didn't like the remixes, hence the set not being issued in the UK and hence remixing things like 'Man With No Expression' themselves for UK release. 

I'm not sure what to believe. I know an attempt was made to block the bootleg 'Shake With The Hollies' from release on Record Store Day in 2017, it disappeared from the official lists, but was quietly available to buy on the day. Things like the aforementioned remixing as opposed to using Ron Furmanek's already completed tracks also points to problems, unless the Furmanek mixes were now so distorted after someone "mastered" them, and EMI weren't happy to use them, though a couple snuck out on 'Clarke Hicks & Nash Years', distorted and full of clipping like the 1993 US CD. 

History tells us that the Hollies themselves aren't interested in their recorded legacy. Compilations are still being issued that are using remasters that are now 20 years old! And they were pretty weak sounding transfers in the first place. Some recent compilations, with a bit more careful mastering, have vastly improved them, like the Dutch '15 Classic Songs' gives the tracks more punch and a sharper/cleaner sound. So we shouldn't be surprised that a few legal wranglings are enough to put them off authorising the rebroadcast of 'Don't Get Sunburnt'. The Hollies now remain the only major 1960s/70s group without a recent reissue campaign from the last decade. Although the Rolling Stones haven't given us much in the way of anything 'new', at least their late 1967 through to 1969 output has been beautifully remastered in a way that knocks the previous ABCKO reissues out of the park. 

I think because of the Hollies' unique business arrangement (much like the Dave Clark Five, who you'll also notice have completely disappeared to the general public, you don't so much as hear their music on the radio now) and a lack of anyone from within their camp actively pushing for such project - like CSNY have Graham Nash taking on theirs - then nothing gets done. 

[anthony]

Jan 23, 2020 9:49:45 GMT dirtyfaz said:

Gralto

I sure was. I went with my soon to be wife. I don't remember much about the performance but one of the highlights for me was AMAZING GRACE. I did see the Don't Get Sunburnt TV special. I actually recorded this with a hand held mic next to the TV speaker. Pretty primitive back in those days. My copy of the audio later became the source for many bootlegs that used tracks from that special. The hum through the show is the giveaway for me that it was my copy used. Back in the day tape trading was freely done.

you did a great service to us Hollies fans with that hand held mic.

[albatros]

Yeah,great clip - the complete show - DON`T GET SUNBURNT - that`s such a HOLLIES Grail most fans looking for.