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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 17:33:11 GMT
Anyone recognise where this is from?
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Post by cameron on Oct 26, 2019 11:16:18 GMT
Wow I’ve never seen this clip before!
Allan’s perm and clothes date it to 1975, a good six months after SOARG came out. My guess might be that they also performed their next single “Sandy” on this show or the show just pre-dates that single by a few weeks.
There’s a few odd things about it: firstly, that’s not Bobby’s drum kit. Note the homemade “The Hollies” bass drum front, so perhaps it’s a TV show that unusually provided their own drum kit in the interests of speeding up filming, so that might be a clue. Also note that Terry is playing a nylon stringed acoustic guitar with no strap. I’ve never seen him play this before, so it’s also possibly a “prop” from the TV show. Though Tony and Bernie have their own guitars.
As for the show, I don’t know. The empty studio and the long shots through completely pointless set structures instantly made me think of the Dusty Springfield video for “What’s It Gonna Be”, almost a decade earlier. But the two clips have many similar elements in the way that they’re filmed. Maybe finding out that what show that clip is from might give a clue as to what this show is that the Hollies are on.
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Post by rokinrobinoflocksley on Oct 27, 2019 19:30:00 GMT
Well, the ribbon running under the video at 13 secs says 'juni 1974'.
The caption at the upper left translates from Dutch as 'do you remember this one'.
From Wiki: 192TV is a non-stop music television channel from the Netherlands that brings mainly music videos from the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, the so-called Oldies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 16:48:07 GMT
Well, the ribbon running under the video at 13 secs says 'juni 1974'.
The caption at the upper left translates from Dutch as 'do you remember this one'.
From Wiki: 192TV is a non-stop music television channel from the Netherlands that brings mainly music videos from the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, the so-called Oldies.
Ignore the dates on 192TV videos. These usually refer to when the records were released, not the date of the TV shows. Also, that channel rebroadcasts footage from all over the world, not just Dutch TV shows. |
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Post by anthony on Oct 29, 2019 4:28:48 GMT
Great clip, far better than the one on the Dutch collection DVD, thought that was very boring. Great find Peterc, shows there is still material out there. You are lucky to have this great clip, well done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 6:23:52 GMT
You're welcome Anthony, glad you like it. I agree, it's better than that 'Sez Les' clip we're more familiar with.
I don't dislike the song, but it's also easy to see this as the first of many strange choices for a single, particularly when trying to follow-up something as successful as 'The Air That I Breathe'.
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Post by stuball on Nov 7, 2019 15:05:30 GMT
'Son Of A Rotten Gambler' was one of those songs that had great vocals and very attractive instrumentation, but how the group thought this would a hit, I don't know. Very low energy and with lyrics that, to this day, leave me puzzled as to what the hell they were singing about! Would have made an attractive album cut, but as a single, I can see how it was lost in the shuffle.
The fact that they continued down this road, releasing polished but lugubrious material ill-suited to the charts, is a mystery I don't know we'll ever get an answer too. How many times do you have to bang your head into a brick wall, before you change your methods?
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Post by baz on Nov 7, 2019 15:20:29 GMT
'Son Of A Rotten Gambler' was one of those songs that had great vocals and very attractive instrumentation, but how the group thought this would a hit, I don't know. Very low energy and with lyrics that, to this day, leave me puzzled as to what the hell they were singing about! Would have made an attractive album cut, but as a single, I can see how it was lost in the shuffle. The fact that they continued down this road, releasing polished but lugubrious material ill-suited to the charts, is a mystery I don't know we'll ever get an answer too. How many times do you have to bang your head into a brick wall, before you change your methods? Agreed. What Ron Richards was thinking pushing for this to be a single goodness knows. A fine enough album track but a hit single? It stood no chance - devoid of hit qualities... then we recall how Ron was insistent "King Midas In Reverse" wouldn't be a hit... sure it didn't chart as high as it should but at least it was way catchier than this song. Makes it all the more utterly bizarre the band limped along in that direction on the next few singles! But... there we go. Can't rewrite history. |
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Post by stuball on Nov 7, 2019 17:17:36 GMT
In the light of 'S of a RG's' disastrous UK showing, Epic saw fit to deep-six that track and instead went with Clarke's 'Don't Let Me Down'. A great song with meaningful lyrics, but another tune that slowly and quietly 'crept in' with its quiet acoustic guitar intro. Needless to say, it went nowhere.
Come to think of it, The Hollies 3 massive hits post-Nash, all had attention-getting intros: 'He Ain't Heavy' with that harmonica intro, 'Long Cool Woman' with that iconic guitar figure and 'Air' with that mesmerizing lead guitar string bend. Coincidence they all did so well? I don't think so. Yes, they were great songs in their own right, but the fact those opening notes would catch program directors and DJs' attention on first listen, helped propell them to the top of the charts.
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Post by albatros on Nov 7, 2019 17:49:21 GMT
The Hollies made some mistakes in the selection of singles. But SON OF A ROTTON GAMBLER was the top mistake. After a hit like THE AIR to release such a lame song - Sorry. In Brazil, DON`T LET ME DOWN was released and was a hit there. That would have been the right successor to THE AIR. This made good followers like I`M DOWN and SANDY or ANOTHER NIGHT no hits in England. The Hollies were successful at that time only in Germany and the Netherlands.
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Post by Gralto on Nov 11, 2019 6:55:45 GMT
Anyone recognise where this is from?
Peter - great find - thanks heaps for posting - I too have never seen this clip previously and as Anthony has noted, it's far preferable to the officially released Sez Les version. The band did this song in Hamburg for German TV in September 1974 but I don't have any details for the show title as yet. However, Allan wears the exact same outfit in June 1975 for a TV appearance and was wearing it on a visit to Australia in late Jan 1975. I doubt that he would wear the same clobber for nearly 12 months, though this was of course the era where the hair was permed and the midriff was exposed. I'll have to do more research on this but like Cam has said, this looks more 1975 than 74. But if so...when and where? Somewhere in Europe and likely either Germany or The Netherlands is the answer but as to specifics...? To be continued... |
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Post by albatros on Nov 11, 2019 8:38:36 GMT
Hi Simon! This clip is from the Netherlands TV, cause on the videoclip you can see on the left side the cover from the Netherland single release of SON OF A ROTTOMN GAMBLER and under the picture stays - more than 6 weeks in the top 40. As I know, SON OF... was only in the Germany and the Netherlands Charts. I also like to send you the next days a very interesting paper with an interview with Mikael Rickfors. He told anything about to get a Hollies-member.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 18:19:12 GMT
This clip is from the Netherlands TV, cause on the videoclip you can see on the left side the cover from the Netherland single release of SON OF A ROTTOMN GAMBLER and under the picture stays - more than 6 weeks in the top 40. As I know, SON OF... was only in the Germany and the Netherlands Charts. I also like to send you the next days a very interesting paper with an interview with Mikael Rickfors. He told anything about to get a Hollies-member. This only proves that it was rebroadcast on Netherlands TV, something we already know. It is the original source/TV show that is the puzzle, though I agree with Simon that The Netherlands or Germany are likely candidates. |
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Post by albatros on Nov 14, 2019 13:36:41 GMT
Hi! Information on SON OF A ROTTON GAMBLER video clip. The song made only in 3 countries on earth the charts:
Germany highest position was 30 for 3 Week at the charts
Netherlands highest position was 16 for 5 weeks at the charts
Belgium highest position was 24 for 4 weeks on the charts
This video clip is definitivly from Netherlands.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 14:51:56 GMT
This video clip is definitivly from Netherlands. Which show? Date?
Of course, just because a song fails to chart doesn't mean it wasn't performed in those countries.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 7:46:51 GMT
SOLVED!!  |
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Post by Stranger on May 6, 2020 13:26:29 GMT
This also tells us that Allan had no perm on Sez Les on July 5th, but has a perm for this show on September 24th.
So now we know the perm happened some time between July and September 1974 and not in 1975 as previously thought.
All these years and my (mis)conceptions of the band keep getting turned on their head.
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 6, 2020 14:57:33 GMT
My son pretty much has mid-70s Allan hair naturally, when he's not fighting it, lol. Must have been a bugger for mid-60s musicians when their hair didn't just flop naturally as it did for the Beatles...
I miss 192TV. Discovered a lot of amazing music that I never heard back home in Canada....
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Post by baz on May 6, 2020 16:21:07 GMT
Must have been a bugger for mid-60s musicians when their hair didn't just flop naturally as it did for the Beatles... A curse for those with genuine curly hair in the 60's as they were forced into straightening it until it became acceptable - Roger Daltrey, Chris Hillman and Micky Dolenz being three I can think of. |
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Post by Mevrouw Bee on May 6, 2020 17:03:15 GMT
Must have been a bugger for mid-60s musicians when their hair didn't just flop naturally as it did for the Beatles... A curse for those with genuine curly hair in the 60's as they were forced into straightening it until it became acceptable - Roger Daltrey, Chris Hillman and Micky Dolenz being three I can think of. I think we can safely add Allan to the list too!  |
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