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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 19:56:43 GMT
Both the, at one point intended, Manfred Mann and The Pretty Things RITY DVDs failed to materialise...sadly As I've pointed out previously on here, The Pretty Things disc HAS been released on this box-set (and it is superb, probably my favourite in the series):
www.burningshed.com/store/madfish/product/397/6271/
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Post by gee on Feb 6, 2017 20:09:09 GMT
was that the same DVD as RITY would have put out do you know ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 20:14:11 GMT
was that the same DVD as RITY would have put out do you know ? Yes, definitely.
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Post by cameron on Feb 7, 2017 12:09:40 GMT
Anyone who knows me knows that I am very polite and tactful. I very politely and respectfully asked David Peck, simply, did they have any plans to release any more Hollies material, particularly live concerts that they may have. His response was so rude. I don't think any Hollies fans can be blamed for "getting his back up", just the one on that Steve Hoffman forum who I seem to recall went on there to vent about what the documentary missed which I thought was in poor taste. I know of several others who have politely enquired - note, not asked for specific clips - and have all received downright rude and unprofessional responses. I'm in business myself dealing with an archive and I get lots of people waste my time, want something for nothing or enquire with no intention to spend money. But it's good business to be polite, courteous and you just never know where it may lead you! I helped one individual who I thought wanted something for nothing, and after I helped, they turned around and donated a significant amount of material to our archive, so you have to treat everyone with respect, because you never know who you are dealing with in this world. As I see it, that documentary was a golden ticket for Hollies fans. Remastered footage, new interviews, previously unseen footage, the 'On A Carousel' sessions, the new King Midas video and the wonderful surprise at the end of an Acapella 'Amazing Grace'. It was the gift that kept giving as far as I was concerned. I'm surprised they didn't put their press launch interview with Graham and Allan as a bonus, it's available from them on YouTube. That is humorous and just as insightful as the documentary. But Simon has hit the nail on the head about us "Millennial Fans" who've only discovered the band more recently. He's often told me how frustrating it was being a Hollies fan in the 1980s/1990s before the internet. Lots of clips turn up all the time, just take Peter's wonderful clip of 'Postcard' - and that was just the other week! Since the internet, being a Hollies fan has become an exciting thing. I've bought all of my Hollies rarities through eBay and got onto their bootlegs thanks to someone uploading one to a website: bigozine2.com/roio/?p=844 I can remember it like yesterday, hearing that live concert from 1966 and thinking it was the most exciting thing I'd ever heard! We must thank people like Peter Checksfield who upload these rare videos for us to enjoy (I recall he had a channel before and was the person who uploaded Bus Stop from TOTP I think) and there's also a young lady from Mexico who's been more recently putting up some gems like the 1975 Switzerland concert and also Knut Skyberg for sharing photos of Hollies rarities from across the world on a daily basis via Facebook. I've tried to put some stuff out via SoundCloud but copyright control has blocked most of my more recent uploads: soundcloud.com/theholliesrareandunreleased I wish I understood how to make videos so I could put it on YouTube instead, I promise to learn and have a go! I think instead of going up against the companies who are money driven, we need to focus more on our own community - giving a bit more. What goes around, comes around. We wouldn't have 3/4 of the rarities that we have if it wasn't for the fans. The Hollies' hands are tied to a large extent when it comes to releasing things because they have to answer to the record company, and I know that the fans distributing bootlegged material have been avid supporters of the Hollies over the years and have no doubt legitimately collected all of their available official material.
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Post by johnt on Feb 17, 2017 13:52:21 GMT
Back to the Holy Grail topic, mine is quite unusual and not a Hollies performance as such!
I'm going back to 1965 and the Christmas/End of Year Top Of The Pops. I was only 14 at the time but I do remember watching The Barron Knights singing 'Merry Gentle Pops' (a big hit at that time of year) which included a parody of Look Through Any Window. That performance was on screen but the Hollies were actually in the studio and the camera panned to them as they were watching and pointing at the screen as the Barron Knights 'impersonated' the Hollies.
I'd love to see this clip again but I doubt if the footage exists as most of the Top Of The Pops tapes from the 60s have been wiped - unless peterc has it in his archives?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 16:51:17 GMT
Back to the Holy Grail topic, mine is quite unusual and not a Hollies performance as such! I'm going back to 1965 and the Christmas/End of Year Top Of The Pops. I was only 14 at the time but I do remember watching The Barron Knights singing 'Merry Gentle Pops' (a big hit at that time of year) which included a parody of Look Through Any Window. That performance was on screen but the Hollies were actually in the studio and the camera panned to them as they were watching and pointing at the screen as the Barron Knights 'impersonated' the Hollies. I'd love to see this clip again but I doubt if the footage exists as most of the Top Of The Pops tapes from the 60s have been wiped - unless peterc has it in his archives? Almost certainly LONG lost!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 8:17:02 GMT
I've been doing quite a but more research on The Hollies TV appearances recently. One that particularly intrigues me, is an Allan Clarke solo appearance on 'Dinah!' (US TV) on 8th June 1978, performing He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother: www.tv.com/shows/dinah/june-8-1978-1340501/Did this really happen? All clips of other artists on this show have been full live performances (not mimed), which makes it even more interesting... perhaps not quite my "holy grail", but something I'd still be very keen to see!
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Post by Gralto on Mar 3, 2018 12:49:55 GMT
Nice find Peter - I've never seen this mentioned elsewhere previously aside from the TV.com listing you've linked. Perhaps Moorlock or Poco on this site may remember this, though being a daytime/afternoon show (3.30pm), the chances of any Hollies fans actually being home to have seen this at the time, you would imagine, would be minimal.
The American publicity machine didn't exactly go into meltdown when Clarke landed in town for his latest visit,especially as he had failed to place any of his previous 45s in the US charts. I agree with you - you would expect that, as Clarkey was in the process of promoting his latest 45 'I Wasn't Born Yesterday' - IMHO a far stronger A-Side than anything The Hollies were considering at that time - he would have done this song instead. A promotional film clip of 'IWBY' was made at the time - wondering if he may have been interviewed and this promo or otherwise an old clip of He Ain't Heavy shown? Anyone on the site recall this appearance to set us straight? Certainly an interesting Hollies-related American TV moment, particularly given their rarity in the second half of the 1970s - thanks for sharing.
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Post by poco on Mar 4, 2018 3:03:02 GMT
As I recall Clarke did his recent song first, then he sat down for the interview. Then he did "He Ain't Heavy". I could be wrong, so long ago. I think I'm right.
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Post by Gralto on Mar 4, 2018 11:47:51 GMT
Back to the Holy Grail topic, mine is quite unusual and not a Hollies performance as such! I'm going back to 1965 and the Christmas/End of Year Top Of The Pops. I was only 14 at the time but I do remember watching The Barron Knights singing 'Merry Gentle Pops' (a big hit at that time of year) which included a parody of Look Through Any Window. That performance was on screen but the Hollies were actually in the studio and the camera panned to them as they were watching and pointing at the screen as the Barron Knights 'impersonated' the Hollies. I'd love to see this clip again but I doubt if the footage exists as most of the Top Of The Pops tapes from the 60s have been wiped - unless peterc has it in his archives? Almost certainly LONG lost! That's a great memory John - and I've just realised your post is a year old! It does take me a while to get around to reading some things...as you can tell. Here's what I can add on this ep. This was the Xmas 25 Dec 1965 TOTP where The H performed I'm Alive, to commemorate it being their first number one earlier in the year. This ep was recorded in London on 21 Dec 1965 (and then broadcast on Xmas Day) but The H pre-recorded their spot on 15 December in Manchester. So I'm curious as to whether they then turned up for the London 21 Dec taping but in which case, if they were there, why didn't they then just do I'm Alive then? Maybe The Barron Knights also recorded their spot on 15 Dec in Manchester and the BBC got The H reaction shots while both were there? I've always liked the Merry Gentle Pops 45 - The Knights do a great job sounding like The H. Anyhow, this is not something that can be answered easily because, as PeterC has rightly stated, this ep no longer survives.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 12:02:53 GMT
Are you sure about the taping date Simon? Confusingly, on that list of 60s TV appearances (featured on a tour programme a few years back), it says both the following:
15/12/65 - Top Of The Pops - Recording
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21/12/65 - Top Of The Pops - Recording Of The Christmas Edition
So, my guess is 21/12/65. Perhaps 15/12/65 refers to the taping of another TV show? Certainly, there are errors in that listing.
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Post by Stranger on Mar 4, 2018 13:24:30 GMT
As I recall Clarke did his recent song first, then he sat down for the interview. Then he did "He Ain't Heavy". I could be wrong, so long ago. I think I'm right. That would make for a very interesting oddity. I wonder if it survives? I would think there is a good chance...
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Post by cameron on Mar 4, 2018 20:45:49 GMT
For me, my holy grail, which I would love to even confirm that it exists, is that ABC showed up to film the Hollies and Herman's Hermits on tour in America in late 1966. Brief snippets appeared on the 'Inside The Rock Revolution' documentary of 'Bus Stop' and 'The Times They Are A Changin', but obviously the whole show would have been filmed. Not only this, and the reason I bring it up, YEARS ago when I first got into the Hollies I read on an American forum about this documentary, it had just appeared on YT for the first time and everyone was having a meltdown over the rarity of it it. On the forum, a guy said he was at the gig and remembers the TV crew vans outside. He and his friends actually followed the tour through a few States and he specifically mentioned that the film crew were present at THREE concerts. Maybe he was mis-remembering it, maybe it's true. I WISH I'd have kept tabs on where this comment was, as years later it makes more sense to me. But for me, the holy grail would be that concert footage, in colour, from 1966. I wonder if the unedited film used for the documentary survives. Traditionally, Americans seemed to not throw away their film as much as the British
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Post by cameron on Mar 4, 2018 20:47:44 GMT
Also, another nation that typically doesn't throw any footage away but also isn't particularly liberal with offering it up to be used is Japan. Apparently the Hollies recorded a whole string of TV appearances there in early 1968, including one in traditional Japanese dress! I believe their current single there was 'Dear Eloise' and they'd have been pushing 'Butterfly'. Only last year, an audience tape of a Japanese show came to light, so I bet there's more.
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Post by cameron on Mar 4, 2018 20:51:00 GMT
And finally, another one which Tony mentioned in an interview was a TV special recorded in Sweden for "Hollies Sing Hollies" in 1969. Apparently they included the full album in a movie-style production combining footage of them actually miming the performances and artistic film to compliment the songs and make it more interesting. It was in a contemporary interview in Sweden that Tony did at the time, announcing that they'd just finished filming it. So it definitely happened. Whether it survives or not is another question... I've never seen anything else mentioned of it or any stills from it, only Tony's comments.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 21:42:49 GMT
And finally, another one which Tony mentioned in an interview was a TV special recorded in Sweden for "Hollies Sing Hollies" in 1969. Apparently they included the full album in a movie-style production combining footage of them actually miming the performances and artistic film to compliment the songs and make it more interesting. It was in a contemporary interview in Sweden that Tony did at the time, announcing that they'd just finished filming it. So it definitely happened. Whether it survives or not is another question... I've never seen anything else mentioned of it or any stills from it, only Tony's comments. As Simon mentioned earlier in this thread, this was called ‘Pop Into Bed With The Hollies’ . It was taped on 30th October 1969, and broadcast on 14th November 1969.
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Post by Stranger on Mar 5, 2018 13:53:56 GMT
I still say Don't Get Sunburnt is the most interesting of all AND it actually exists.
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Post by cameron on Mar 5, 2018 16:54:44 GMT
Sorry Peter, I didn't realise this was an old thread. I've just caught up on all of the post now!
I agree that DGS is the most interesting, especially given the fact that it's a documentary and also in colour (I believe it was broadcast in B+W), showcasing the Hollies at their absolute live peak, IMO. Those early years with Terry when they sorted out their set list of covers (as it had been all the while that Graham was with the group) and started playing their own hits and album tracks, with a few well chosen covers thrown in for good measure. They seemed to rock their hardest around 1971-73 judging by surviving recordings.
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Post by moorlock2003 on Mar 15, 2018 16:56:16 GMT
Holy grail is without a doubt in concert 1972. That's the only video I watch with any regularity. As for the LTAW dvd, the problem with it is that the emphasis is solely from a UK perspective. That leaves US fans out and fans from other countries as well. Not a good way to present the band, as if they never stepped out of England
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 17:13:23 GMT
As for the LTAW dvd, the problem with it is that the emphasis is solely from a UK perspective. That leaves US fans out and fans from other countries as well. Not a good way to present the band, as if they never stepped out of England I thought the opposite. Not only is the documentary made by Americans, with an American personinterviewing band members, but they omit UK Top 10 hits like 'Yes I Will' & 'I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top' (both of which exist on video) in favour of 'Long Cool Woman' which didn't even make the UK Top 30. Having said that, the footage included came from several countries, including the UK, Holland, Germany, Japan, Sweden, Croatia & USA ('This Is Tom Jones', admittedly taped in the UK for US TV).
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 21:30:10 GMT
Not sure if this is an 'holy grail', but apparently footage of The Hollies 'Top Of The Pops' appearance from 30-06-66 (performing 'Bus Stop') has surfaced. I wonder if this includes Eric Haydock on bass, as he is on the circulating 16-06-66 clip?
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Post by anthony on May 29, 2019 22:59:37 GMT
Just found this, never see it before.
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Post by madprofessorblyth on May 30, 2019 4:18:53 GMT
I know this is a decent bit of an "old" thread and I don't want to rehash anything that's perhaps been settled already before my time - though I totally empathize with being a "millennial fan" of the Hollies. I only got interested (beyond the main hits) in around 2013 after watching that LTAW documentary myself and I quickly absorbed everything there was/is to know at the time and safely have as many official releases on CD/vinyl as I can find around here in the secondhand US shops...
I did want to quickly just say a thank you to everyone who commented previously about RITY who made that documentary... I won't go into detail (really long story!) but I ended up having some contact with them about Hollies material (and I was really as nice as I could be, as I would be courteous to anyone!) and I received responses beyond my comprehension of how awful a person could act. I wasn't sure if I had said/done something in particular or if whoever is behind that company were just intolerably rude (or had a chip on their shoulder) - I see reading this I'm not alone and that both of those are correct. I can understand them being a business like alone else but surely if people like your product and/or are interested in it (and in cases in this thread, asking for more product to buy!!) - insulting like that is so unprofessional and leaves a sour taste. Makes you wonder how big their domination on these rare clips are if *these* were the people dealing with all of the ex-members of our fave group who were involved.
I will be always thankful for the documentary for getting me into these guys, and I enjoy it for what it is, but after what occurred I couldn't be caught dead buying a DVD from them again. In a sad and backhanded way, maybe it is a blessing these people (likely) won't be responsible for more Hollies material - I'd love to see rare promos as much as anyone else here, but if they antagonize the base - at what cost?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 7:31:33 GMT
Just found this, never see it before. Great!
I knew it was made (and mention it in my book), but I hadn't seen it before. Also apparently in circulation is a video for 'Ruby', though I've yet to see it myself... anyone??
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Post by JamesT on May 30, 2019 18:29:50 GMT
I know this is a decent bit of an "old" thread and I don't want to rehash anything that's perhaps been settled already before my time - though I totally empathize with being a "millennial fan" of the Hollies. I only got interested (beyond the main hits) in around 2013 after watching that LTAW documentary myself and I quickly absorbed everything there was/is to know at the time and safely have as many official releases on CD/vinyl as I can find around here in the secondhand US shops... I did want to quickly just say a thank you to everyone who commented previously about RITY who made that documentary... I won't go into detail (really long story!) but I ended up having some contact with them about Hollies material (and I was really as nice as I could be, as I would be courteous to anyone!) and I received responses beyond my comprehension of how awful a person could act. I wasn't sure if I had said/done something in particular or if whoever is behind that company were just intolerably rude (or had a chip on their shoulder) - I see reading this I'm not alone and that both of those are correct. I can understand them being a business like alone else but surely if people like your product and/or are interested in it (and in cases in this thread, asking for more product to buy!!) - insulting like that is so unprofessional and leaves a sour taste. Makes you wonder how big their domination on these rare clips are if *these* were the people dealing with all of the ex-members of our fave group who were involved. I will be always thankful for the documentary for getting me into these guys, and I enjoy it for what it is, but after what occurred I couldn't be caught dead buying a DVD from them again. In a sad and backhanded way, maybe it is a blessing these people (likely) won't be responsible for more Hollies material - I'd love to see rare promos as much as anyone else here, but if they antagonize the base - at what cost? He was an obnoxious individual on the previous forum, if I remember correctly. Whilst it's mostly a very good documentary, it could have been much more.
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