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Post by Stranger on Mar 20, 2017 18:28:56 GMT
I suspect Little Steven had a big part in it too.
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Post by stuball on Mar 20, 2017 20:26:34 GMT
It certainly does seem plausible. The Hollies were well overdue for induction and that could easily explain how it eventually came about. I understand that Jann Wenner is a "difficult" character. Yes, I think you're right about Wenner. It appears since the death of Ahmet Ertegun that Jann has ran the Hall with an iron fist, and on his word nominees rise or fall. I can't see him being a fan of The Hollies, whom I suspect in his eyes would be nothing more than a successful, yet lightweight, whitebread 'pop group'. So I do tend to think they made it solely as a gesture to his friend Graham. If great U.S. groups like The Turtles (often referred to as America's Hollies) don't stand a chance of admittance, then it's hard to see The Hollies gaining admittance on their own merits.
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Post by stuball on Mar 20, 2017 20:29:46 GMT
I suspect Little Steven had a big part in it too. Yes, he's always been a fan of The Hollies, hasn't he? Perhaps he lent some weight to the Hollies nomination as well.
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Post by Gralto on Jul 26, 2017 21:36:51 GMT
Interesting to see Terry's latter tweet: Writing a book is deffo on me bucket list Sandra, need to find a publisher who believes in the project.
The above suggests to me that: (a) he hasn't written it or perhaps even started it (b) it's not about him getting his stories out but about being offered money as the primary reason for doing it (c) he's been to see some publishers and they've turned him down or he's not been sufficiently interested by the deal they've thrown up - not a good sign for the future.
This post goes against all the strong words he posted some years ago about his soon to be completed tome, spilling the beans on the band's history and what really happened. I'm sure he would have some ripping yarns to tell but realistically, based on all current available evidence, I can't see this little page turner ever being produced.
Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by gee on Jul 27, 2017 8:16:58 GMT
it's rather sad how Terry has gone from such an enthusiastic very positive 'Hollie' figurehead always plugging the band in radio interviews....
.....to such a now apparently SO embittered older guy forever moaning about that Hall of Fame induction show and sniping away at Nash (presumably as Nash is the best known 'name' - they wern't even ever in the band together....while Terry owes his career big break to Nash's quitting the band in late 1968 - yes ?)
Terry rants...then deletes his online rants later (one sad thing re the internet social media thing - guys you think alot of can make themselves look right fools !)
also Terry says this, that, whatever...and later it seems at least some of what he claims isn't accurate
He's ranted angrily away at Nash, Clarke...then claimed he has a VERY GOOD relationship with ALL of The Hollies members past and present !
he's slagged off the current Hollies...then praised them up !
this book was going to tell all and be out soon...now it seems he's not even written it yet - and if it appears will it be a fascinating insight into a classic era of music and his years in The Hollies revealing key band issues, decisions etc (great)
....or just one big series of nasty vindictive 'swipes' at figures he feels he has a score to settle with etc (yawn) !
so by now we don't know WHAT to believe when Terry speaks
so sad as he's SUCH an important figure being involved in Merseybeat, and of course in The Hollies story from 1969 to 1981 plus his later work with Jimmy Griffin of Bread too
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Post by greengoddess on Jul 27, 2017 9:07:53 GMT
Whilst Terry was in the band I think he was a real asset. He did have an excellent voice which blended easily in to The Hollies style. Since he has left and allegedly taken to drinking too much he's become a different person. I think he's had a serious falling out with the current band - probably with one or both of the two long standing members.
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Post by stuball on Jul 27, 2017 13:32:10 GMT
Interesting to see Terry's latter tweet: Writing a book is deffo on me bucket list Sandra, need to find a publisher who believes in the project. The above suggests to me that: (a) he hasn't written it or perhaps even started it (b) it's not about him getting his stories out but about being offered money as the primary reason for doing it (c) he's been to see some publishers and they've turned him down or he's not been sufficiently interested by the deal they've thrown up - not a good sign for the future. This post goes against all the strong words he posted some years ago about his soon to be completed tome, spilling the beans on the band's history and what really happened. I'm sure he would have some ripping yarns to tell but realistically, based on all current available evidence, I can't see this little page turner ever being produced. Hope I'm wrong. I hope you're wrong too, but I'm sure you're right! I think we make a mistake hanging on to every little Twitter comment that Terry makes. Like the latest one, nearly all of them are responses to his Twitter fans. And Terry, as a faded former member of a faded but formerly big group, uses Twitter as his main source of publicity. So he is acting as his own agent on Twitter, constantly 'bigging' himself up, and often in response to fans who are tickled pink to think a 'star' is talking to them, one on one. Of course, there will be no 'book deal', but both Terry and his current 'fans' get a charge out of this fantasy. They are both pretending to be something they are not. Terry is no longer a star, (he has little 'name recognition' anymore), but his current Twitter fans give him that old 'I'm a somebody' feeling. And his current Twitter followers get to tell themselves, 'I'm in direct communication with a 'somebody'. So both parties derive mutual satisfaction from this communication. But to Hollies' fans looking in, it often appears sad and pathetic.
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Post by gee on Jul 27, 2017 14:17:54 GMT
I fear you are correct - hence Terry's big supposed ongoing online 'feud' with Graham Nash (who never comments in reply and probably doesn't even know or care !) it's most likely just a case of Terry trying to hang on to a still well known figure's coat tail by past association etc ....quite sad and pathetic
I saw one of Terry's shows posted on youtube - it was from a while back but he was dressed like a 'Baywatch reject', with an older guy sat on guitar and what looked like the guy's young daughter playing keyboards (!)
Terry on acoustic guitar was in poor voice now just warbling Hollies songs and things like 'Save The Last Dance For Me'....to what looked like a small holiday group of people in some resort
it was simply sad....
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Post by stuball on Jul 27, 2017 17:19:18 GMT
I saw one of Terry's shows posted on youtube - it was from a while back but he was dressed like a 'Baywatch reject', with an older guy sat on guitar and what looked like the guy's young daughter playing keyboards (!) Terry on acoustic guitar was in poor voice now just warbling Hollies songs and things like 'Save The Last Dance For Me'....to what looked like a small holiday group of people in some resort it was simply sad.... Very much so. I don't mind saying, I thought very highly of Terry during his time with The Hollies, and still enjoy his old Escorts and Swinging Blue Jeans work as well. I also quite like the LP he made with James Griffin immediately upon leaving The Hollies. But... I can no longer bring myself to watch the many YouTube videos of Terry made over the last couple of decades. His voice has deteriorated so badly from the fabulous and distinct high tenor he once possessed, I find it too painful to watch. And as you mentioned, the venues and setups look so threadbare and low-budget, I'm embarrassed FOR him. And, in my opinion, his style sense leaves something to be desired, although I suppose, to each his own. I do think he got a bit of a raw deal at the RRHOF induction, although his reaction was questionable also. But I think that reaction was so intense because he knew, deep down inside, that that induction was his last kick at the big-league can. And he has dwelt in the bush leagues ever since. So sad...
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Post by eric on Jul 27, 2017 18:07:04 GMT
Why can't some people retire gracefully? Why can't they accept the fact that they had a wonderful career but it is now over? Their time in the sun is now behind them. Be proud of one's achievements and be positive when reflecting on them.
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Post by cameron on Jul 27, 2017 21:28:34 GMT
Bernie Calvert is the one I feel sorry for. He literally walked away from the Hollies and that was it. Most articles don't mention him or usually get his name wrong. He was the fourth longest serving Hollie from their original heyday, so was around for more than Nash or Sylvester were, but had the bonus of not having any songwriting responsibilities bestowed on him, a bit like Bobby Elliott. Bob and Bernie seemed to be the 'quiet' ones who spent more time listening and absorbing what was going on, so often have the best stories to tell. Bernie never gets spoken about now and has faded into obscurity, but seems to be the only Hollie who all former members are on good terms with. Fairly recently, he was pictured having dinner somewhere with Terry. When Bernie is asked about the Hollies, he has great stories to tell and is such a good story teller.
Terry, on the other hand, has this great platform to share his stories and anecdotes - but instead uses it for malicious activities concerning the Hollies and cheering on Liverpool FC. He could tell his story through Twitter. I don't use Twitter, but one of my favourite people to follow on Facebook is photographer Henry Diltz. He uses his social media platform to share his unseen photos on an almost daily basis, with an accompanying story usually giving a personal insight into the subjects in the photos - often featuring Graham Nash and sometimes the Hollies' shoots from Laurel Canyon in 1966 and 1968. That's a great way to use social media, Terry should take a lesson from that!
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Post by gee on Jul 28, 2017 8:32:12 GMT
Well at least Bernie IS inducted into the American Rock and Roll Hall of Fame !
unlike many of his 'beat boom' contemporaries or some VERY famous influential groups (Moody Blues etc) and music figures...
plus he would get at least some royalties for his instrumental composition 'Reflections of A Time Long Past' on 'Hollies Sing Hollies' which is out on several CD releases in addition to his share from his contribution to Hollies recordings
Bernie ought to get some royalty income for 'Burn Fire Burn' as well as I understand it was an Elliott-Calvert composition, tho' Bernie's name seems to have got lost from the credits...
Bernie also composed the mood music instrumental; '(No More) Snow on Heather Moor' - officially unissued it has since been released (but in awful sound quality) on a European CD - wrongly titled; 'No More Snow on Heater Motor' ! lol
Bernie of course was first a 'Dolphin' with Tony and Bobby then became The Hollies bass player / keyboardist from 'Bus Stop' in 1966 (initially just helping them out on bass guitar for that recording session) then he joined full time for the Scandinavian tour later in 1966 and remained right up to the 'Buddy Holly' album in 1980 and on into early 1981 - through Nash, Sylvester, Rickfors eras so he's been a part of three classic Hollies line ups and played on so many classic hits and albums
It seems Bernie is the most down to Earth, friendly and approachable of all of The Hollies members - Allan Clarke was clearly delighted to see him at that Hall of Fame show with a warm handshake between them
I think Bernie was best man at one of Terry's weddings too (or a chief guest if not actual best man) and he had a 'reunion' with Terry playing bass guitar for him in a working man's club some years back - I have seen photos of that a lady I know took
Sadly Bernie took some (unjust in my opinion) derision from both Ron Richards and Bruce Welch re his 'old fashioned' bass playing - but I have always felt Bernie played fine !
by 1981 Bernie knew he was getting (& looking) a bit 'long in the tooth' for the 80's pop music scene and wisely stood down when Terry walked out...
Bernie resigned too, he was never 'edged out' of the band despite Bruce Welch telling Tony Hicks to 'ditch your bass player' - Hicks refused and it was Bernie's later decision to also leave The Hollies when Terry quit handing in his resignation a few days after Terry walked out I believe
but his years of excellent reliable service to The Hollies are something he can be rightly proud of !
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Post by greengoddess on Jul 28, 2017 8:39:59 GMT
Bernie has retained his dignity. I will always admire him for that and his contribution to The Hollies. Terry should have done the same. He was good in his heyday and should have left us with those memories instead of acting up and leaving a sour taste in the mouth.
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Post by Gralto on Jun 27, 2018 14:05:56 GMT
Here's a recent Terry tweet in the past fortnight:
I see Nash has been spouting off again, he really does love himself, old white haired druggy, who can’t sing, singing contest any time, 🤣🤣🤣, & BTW, fake Hollies fans, I’m coming over the pond soon to show you how it’s done, 🎸👏🤣
Seriously, Terry continues to be his own worst enemy writing this utter tosh. It just beggars belief...
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Post by allanangel on Jun 27, 2018 15:46:47 GMT
Who does he consider to be fake Hollies fans? What are fake Hollies fans? If you are reading Terry's tweet, you are obviously a Hollies fan. So much ego and bitterness. Which side of the pond does he live on? If it is this side, you can have him back.
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Post by gee on Jun 27, 2018 19:42:05 GMT
Here WE Go Again !
'Fake' Hollies fans is probably Terry's unkind tag for fans of the current touring Hollies Tony and Bobby head up whom I think Terry regards as 'Fake' as he has said they have never had a hit record
(true but then equally he ignores the fact that early in 1969 he was singing in concert shows 99% Hollies chart hits recordings that Graham Nash had sung on ! - yes ??)
As I said earlier in this thread I believe Terry tries to latch himself onto Graham Nash's coat tail to 'big up' his profile....hence the continuing nasty 'digs' at Nash which are often quite personal in tone
but sadly just makes himself look an embittered old man instead, who apparently charges for any interviews he gives (which suggests he needs the cash)
I looked in on Terry's Twitter or Facebook a while back, he was on a show bill in the USA where he was one of about a dozen acts, and he had just FIFTEEN minutes part of which was his 'intro' - telling folks who he was !
God it's so very sad as Terry was such a key figure who could have such admiration and strong rapport with Hollies fans had he just kept his dignity and a sense of professionalism
Had he been positive re the 'Nash era', and the Hollies post his own era in the band he'd draw the interest and attention from ALL Hollies fans who would rate him as one of the band's real 'figureheads' in their famous history alongside Clarke, Nash, Hicks, etc which would boost his current profile as a solo artist even today
he was almost by-passed by the swinging sixties, finally getting a deserved belated 'stardom' in 1969 thanks to Nash departing The Hollies (something Terry seems to forget now - were it not for the band Clarke and Nash founded Terry would never have had much of a successful music career at all)
he was, in retrospect, unwise in walking out on the band in June 1981, which weakened both himself and the group, and was later unlucky when American pal Jimmy Griffin passed away ending their duo which reduced his 'name' status in the states where he is essentially based
Terry must be 'miffed' to see The Hollies still successfully touring, even long after Clarke's retirement, and Nash still having releases (Clarke we hear is doing an album too) with books by Nash and on The Hollies, plus Bobby's book due soon....
...while Terry, in poor voice now per youtube postings, is left appearing umpteenth down the bill for short stints or playing at what looks like holiday camps and reduced to seemingly endlessly making the same old embittered 'swipes' mainly at Nash, occasionally Clarke
so sad as Terry was once SUCH a great character, singer, songwriter and ambassador for The Hollies in interviews
Question - if Graham Nash organised with Tony, Bobby and Allan a big Hollies 'reunion' show - very unlikely I know - and invited Terry to join them...would Sylvester 'snub' the offer ....or jump at it ?
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Post by knut on Jun 28, 2018 6:06:54 GMT
As far as we know BBC offered The Hollies to play in Hyde Park with a reunion line-up. This was just after CSN broke up following Crosby slamming Neil's marriage break-up. It really should have happened then. Maybe if we see the release of a new Allan album this idea will be refreshed? Terry however has played his cards in such a way that he might be kept out. Rickfors is not very central either.
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Post by moorlock2003 on Nov 12, 2018 4:55:47 GMT
As for the R&R HOF fiasco, I am currently moving and I came across a copy of the Hollies induction that someone made for me. I decided to toss it out! I sure don't want to see it again.
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Post by moorlock2003 on Nov 15, 2018 22:30:26 GMT
Both "Hollies" (1965) and "Would You Believe" were seen at the time to be more album orientated in their NME reviews and they reached number 8 and 16 in the UK charts respectively. "For Certain Because..." peaked at number 23 and "Evolution" at 13... even the commercial 'flop' "Hollies Sing Dylan" reached number 3 in the UK chart! But I don't count chart placings at all as a measure of success in the 1960's at all. Don't forget, "Hollies Greatest" in 1968 was dislodged by the Sound Of Music soundtrack which was still selling THREE YEARS after release! It was just a different world then, the young "teenyboppers' just couldn't afford LPs, hence why bands needed killer singles. Just for compare, The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society and The Zombies' Odessey And Oracle are two of the most renowned LPs of the 1960's and both sank without a trace upon release. It doesn't matter one iota what the chart placing was, all that shows is the popularity, not whether the album was any good. Distant Light sank without a trace too, and it's a flawless LP from start to finish. Same with Butterfly, Romany and Another Night. It just means that the public weren't buying it. It was a different world back then. You have to remember that there was just too much good music to choose from at the time, and riding high on the charts were Ken Dodd, Engelbert Humperdinck, Mrs Mills and the South Pacific Sountrack! I think a general lack of promotion from EMI (who no longer took invested interests in the Hollies after their revolutionary management deal), a lack of pushing from the remaining Hollies themselves and nearly 40 years of having a very steady similar live set have meant that their album catalogue gets criminally overlooked. I'm glad that HMV is stocking their "Classic Album Series" and I'm hopeful that Vol.3 will come along soon as their pre-1976 album catalogue is superb. Anyway, we could sit and say 'what if' forever, but it is what it is. All we can do now is look to the future and hope that the wider public embrace the Hollies in the 1960's and 1970's revival that seems to be coming more and more to the fore - no doubt aided by the recent surge in vinyl sales, which I'm sure is what pushed the Hollies to re-issue Evolution and Butterfly. Although I've so far not seen Butterfly in any shops yet, though Evolution is available in lots of places Distant Light, one of the very BEST albums the band ever put out, was their biggest hit album in the USA. The Brits really got it wrong ignoring that one. And to think that lousy Dylan album went to No. 3 in the UK. Go figure.
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Post by moorlock2003 on Nov 20, 2018 12:04:17 GMT
Terry may have lost it in a number of ways, but he will always be one of my very favorite members of The Hollies. His voice, looks, hair (someone compared his to Jeff Beck's), and personality back in the band's heyday made him a perfect fit for the perfect band.
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Post by cameron on Nov 20, 2018 12:38:50 GMT
Speaking of Terry, I finally happened upon a copy of 'I Believe', his solo album from 1976 last week. One word - WOW!
To me, it stands up well amongst Allan's solo albums, and fairs a bit better than even some of the Hollies' own material from that era. Gorgeous production, fantastic arrangements and one or two hits for sure. I think 'For Peace of All Mankind' was the only mis-step on the LP, slightly cringy compared to the other top-notch AOR productions.
For Hollies fans, the album features re-workings of "Pick Up The Pieces Again", "Cable Car" and "Indian Girl" - all of which I believe are better than the Hollies' versions. I didn't think that "Cable Car" especially could be improved upon, but here it is with a luscious string arrangement. It's also produced by Hollies producer Ron Richards and engineered by Hollies engineer/producer Alan Parsons.
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Post by knut on Nov 20, 2018 16:37:52 GMT
Cameron: Have you checked both the US and the UK version of I believe? There are some tracks not on the other.
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Post by JamesT on Jul 6, 2019 6:54:12 GMT
Finally had enough of Terry Twitter and unfollowed. Such a great pity to have someone in their latter years with so many achievements so wrapped up in bitterness.
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Post by stuball on Jul 6, 2019 13:06:17 GMT
Finally had enough of Terry Twitter and unfollowed. Such a great pity to have someone in their latter years with so many achievements so wrapped up in bitterness. Don't blame you, James! Take away the footy-talk, plus the Nash-Clarke anger, and what you're left with is absolutely mundane. Such a shame!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 14:20:44 GMT
I can't quite understand why he's so bitter at the people who, effectively, gave him enough fame to still have a career in music. No-one would pay to see an ex-member of chart flops The Escorts and someone who was a member of The Swinging Blue Jeans after the hits dried up.
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